Mutating Corona Virus

[theoldrouge]

However shame not all the statistics are or indeed were available
 

 

FDA vaccine advisers ‘disappointed’ and ‘angry’ that early data about new Covid-19 booster shot wasn’t presented for review last year
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/index.html

[honeybee13]

Different countries though. The link I posted is mainly about what Peter Sweden is misinterpreting now to try and get more followers.

[tobyjugg2]

Misinterpreting implies hes 'mistaken' rather thandeliberate 'misrepresentation/lying

 

I suppose some of the anti-vaxxers could be that stupid/deluded/mentally ill

- but I have no doubts whatsoever many are deliberately lying

 

Presenting the more honest version s of some anti-vax claims/lies

 

Simple Fact

All people who haven't had a vaccine will die within 7 days of not having a vaccine.

 

Simple Fact

Even when 90% of the world is vaccinated,  studies demonstrate that more unvaccinated people per 10,000 unvaccinated will die from covid than the number of vaccinated per 10,000 vaccinated, Despite the vastly larger number of vaccinated.

.. and multples of that number of unvaccinated per 10,000 unvaccinated will be hospitalised than per 10,000 vaccinated.

 

 

Eventually, its very likely that coronavirus will mutate into something really nasty, aided and abetted by the unvaccinated increasing spread and mutation.  (It has demonstrated far more mutations and speed of mutations than flu)

Some anti-vaxxers may even be among those with a 'natural' resistance level high enough to help them survive, otherwise they will then utterly need a vaccine or die.

 

 

In China, despite the false reporting, its being modelled that 100,,000s of people a day are being infected (many with new strains) and 10s of thousands are dying

 

 

China to see 25,000 Covid-related deaths, 3.7 million cases daily in January: Report - Times of India

TIMESOFINDIA.INDIATIMES.COM

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China News: Covid-19 infections will reach their first peak in China on January 13, 2023, with 3.7 million cases a day while deaths are estimated...

 

Airfinity | Airfinity’s COVID-19 forecast for China infections and deaths

WWW.AIRFINITY.COM

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Airfinity is forecasting COVID-19 infections to reach their first peak in China on the 13th January with 3.7 million cases a day. Find out the daily...

 

 

[theoldrouge]

FDA Vaccine Committee Member Calls For End to Mass Covid Vaccination
 

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It’s welcome that Dr. Offit is breaking ranks and expressing dismay about the poor process and the lack of data, and calling for the end of the mass vaccination campaign. The intervention is particularly significant because it denotes a failure of the central U.S. biosecurity strategy of trying to use fast-track mRNA vaccines to provide a lightning response to an emerging biological threat. It is thus likely that his conclusions will be strongly resisted by those who are invested – financially, psychologically and politically – in this strategy.

That Dr. Offit is only doing so now, and not with any recognition of any safety problems, is less welcome, of course. Still, he will likely not be thanked by his paymasters, and it is in the right direction, so he should receive credit for that. 

We still await the acknowledgement that the benefit of these vaccines was never favourable for people at low risk from the virus, who never needed them, and that their safety profile is far worse than the companies and regulators have led the public to believe.”
 

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/13/fda-vaccine-committee-member-calls-for-end-to-mass-covid-vaccination/

[tobyjugg2]

More of @theoldrouges heros

 

 

Anti-vax nuts say: Want Powers like the X-Mens Magneto?  - Get Vaccinated

 

"As you can see, Tenpenny said, “I’m sure you’ve seen the pictures all over the internet of people who have had these shots and now they’re magnetized. They can put a key on their forehead. It sticks. They can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick.”

"she continued by saying, “There's been people who have long suspected that there was some sort of an interface, 'yet to be defined' interface, between what’s being injected in these shots and all of the 5G towers.”

Holy Magneto, Batman. I have already covered for Forbes"

 

"You’d think that someone who firmly believes in a conspiracy theory would at least have (what they consider to be) solid ‘proof.’ Alas! Even that seems to be setting the bar too high. Registered nurse Joanna Overholt tried to ‘prove’ that her body was magnetized by sticking a key and a bobby pin to herself… only they fell off."

 

 

Nurse tries to prove vaccines MAGNETIZE people to Ohio legislature by sticking a key to her neck | Daily Mail Online

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Joanna Overholt testified before the Ohio House health committee on Wednesday about the perceived dangers of the inoculations.

 

"An antivaccine Ohio nurse tried to prove that Covid vaccinations make people magnetic by sticking a key to her body - only for it to embarrassingly fall off - before the Ohio House health committee.

After the key didn't work, she then picked up a bobby pin to try the same stunt, which also failed to demonstrate her magnetism. "

 

 

 

Ohio Doctor Claims Covid-19 Vaccine Magnetizes People, Makes Keys Stick On Forehead

WWW.FORBES.COM

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Sherri Tenpenny, DO, asserted that after getting the Covid-19 vaccine, people “can put spoons and forks all over them and they can stick.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Simply Bonkers

 

 

[honeybee13]

Well said Michael Fabricant. Blue on blue attacks on Bridgen now.

 

 

https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1613985207350333445/photo/1

[theoldrouge]

You’ve clearly been reading your latest newsletter from your David Icke Fan Club membership pack Mr Jugg 
 

Meanwhile The Gaurdian is frothing at the mouth at their favourite subservient news channel for allowing Dr Malhotra anywhere near it
You could almost hear the director screaming “cut him off”
Best interview I’ve seen on the BBC for years 
 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfEWsKMWfU

 

[tobyjugg2]

Already disproved that anti-vax drivel, but heres some more @Covid-Dick

 

Almost all of the (real) things you lay at the feet of vaccines - actually occur in covid infection

- but not becoming Magneto or transmitting 5G signals in either case - although anti-vaxxers undoubtedly are villains causing harm.

 

 

Although there are some possible issues for a very few people, most of those few quite trivial and transient, and actually more with the early non-mRNA ones you had:

 

1. They are vastly outweighed by many orders of magnitude by the benefits

2.  Covid infection would almost certainly also produce those issues and far worse

3. Vaccination significantly REDUCES the potential for severe covid infection outcomes even in the susceptible

4. None of the nonsense you anti-vax liars promote are accurate or honest assessments of the real potential issues

 

 

 

magnetise these to your forehead;

 

"About one in three people complain of discomfort and functional impairment of the heart after severe COVID-19 disease.

In order to elucidate the mechanisms of this long-lasting myocardial damage, the researchers examined heart tissue from patients with severe COVID 19 and compared it with tissue samples taken after severe influenza infections caused by the influenza virus and after severe myocarditis caused by other viruses. Although in the COVID 19 heart injury - unlike the comparison samples - there was no classic inflammation of the heart tissue on the outside, the research team did find a large accumulation of false-activated inflammatory cells: so-called macrophages and their precursor cells, the monocytes. "These monocytes have an outstanding importance as precursor cells of new blood vessel formation and can remodel the blood vessel system in a very short time," explains Christopher Werlein, first author of the study.

COVID-19 attacks all vessels in the body"

 

How COVID-19 permanently damages the heart

IDW-ONLINE.DE

 

Inflammation of the heart and COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network

NEWSNETWORK.MAYOCLINIC.ORG

 

 

"Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the most common co-morbidity associated with COVID-19

and the fatality rate in COVID-19 patients with CVD is higher compared to other comorbidities, such as hypertension and diabetes. Preliminary data suggest that COVID-19 may also cause or worsen cardiac injury in infected patients through multiple mechanisms such as 'cytokine storm', endotheliosis, thrombosis, lymphocytopenia etc. Autopsies of COVID-19 patients reveal an infiltration of inflammatory mononuclear cells in the myocardium"

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32971105/

 

 

"COVID-19 infection not only impair lung function, but can also cause life-threatening consequences for the heart. The spectrum ranges from acute inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis) to chronic restriction of the heart's pumping function"

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/heart-problems-after-covid19

 

[brassnecked]

Keeping an open mind is difficult, but yes I know its the Daily Heil, but some doubt on the allegedly 3 mouse  or was it 8 mice tested Bivalent shot

Officials say Pfizer's bivalent COVID shot may be linked to stroke | Daily Mail Online

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U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc and German partner BioNTech's updated COVID-19 shot could be linked to a type of brain stroke in older adults...

 

[tobyjugg2]

open mind - LOL - you seem to mean keep your mind open to anti vax crap

'Oh somebodies died after having the vaccine - blame the vaccine

 

How about keeping an open mind about the millions of people saved from death and severe illness by the vaccine?

How about keeping an open mind about the state the NHS would be in without the people who have been vaccinated reducing the spread and the load on the NHS

 

 

Reality of your link:

"Officials said other systems put in place to track vaccine injuries have not found a similar link, which makes them believe it is a statistical anomaly rather than a true cause for alarm."

 

Thats the reality of this situation AND the safety measures in place a genuinely open mind would see

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

Open mind? Not in Mr Juggs Soviet style world 
However Soviet style censorship eventually starts to breakdown 
 

 

Will Aseem Malhotra’s Appearance Be the BBC’s Most Viewed Programme of 2023?

“It seems incredible that the BBC and, by association, the Government, think they can just bury the story. As if, so long as it isn’t mentioned, the other 50-odd million people in the country won’t also think, “Hmm, there’s something not quite right about these vaccines”. Surely radio silence only adds to the unease. Since the creation of the ‘Trusted News Initiative’, I’ve lost all trust in the BBC. Its obsessive focus on Net Zero and intersectionality sounds suspiciously like a USSR era Pravda piece about tractor production in Murmansk.”
 

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/15/will-aseem-malhotras-appearance-be-the-bbcs-most-viewed-programme-of-2023/

[tobyjugg2]

What about the literally millions of people in the UK alone

who were saved from severe infection, hospitalisation and death by vaccination?

 

 

Simple fact

Vaccination (of all types) reduces the risk of severe illness and hospitalisation by 80-90%+

So around 1 million hospitalised would have been 8 million hospitalised in the UK alone, plus many many more incapacitated at home, and as the NHS has been on its knees with 'just' the roughly 1 million that were hospitalised

- what does anyone think would have happened with and additional 7 million needing hospitalisation and ICU beds?

That wouldn't have been treating people in car parks - that would have been MILLIONS more dying untreated

 

Simple fact

Vaccination (of all types) reduces the risk of death by 80-90%+

So imagine 1.6 million deaths in the UK alone rather than around 200,000?

Let alone all the extra deaths caused by the NHS collapse under the load of an additional 7 million needing hospitalisation and ICU beds

- the death rate would have been far higher even than that

There would have been bodies straight into incinerators and freezer vans loaded with dead bodies waiting.

 

Simple Fact

Vaccination (of all types) reduces the risk of symptomatic infection by around 30-70% and the transmission of  infection by around 30-60%

Without vaccination, the spread would have been at least 2- 4x as fast and increasing exponentially - as proven in the early days

 

and what do you think all those severely sick people would have done to the economy as well as the NHS?

It would have collapsed.

 

Why do you think 'dont give a doodoo about anyone but me' Johnson started imposing lockdowns .. 

I'll tell you why - Models were showing precisely the above starting to happen.

 

 

 

So all these anti-vax nuts who claim that vaccination is some population reduction mechanism

- should really look to their own antics and lies as being a cause of excess deaths

 

 

Not a fact - but a very likely future

Coronavirus will continue to evolve and will almost certainly mutate to evade all but the latest vaccines, driven in large part by the unvaccinated, as it was doing, is doing, and would always would have done anyway.

 

This WILL turn around with Eventually, the unvaccinated, no matter any natural immunity, will be susceptible to the variants that the vaccinated can ignore as the virus continues to evolve and bypass any prior mitigations and vaccinations - probably eventually evolving into a really severe variant - which is always only a few possible mutations away.

- this would have happened anyway, but we have had a breathing space offered by the vaccines (and masks)

[honeybee13]

More on Bridgen and Dr Malhotra.

 

Former MEP offered paying subscribers access to a meeting of vaccine sceptics in parliament - Tortoise

WWW.TORTOISEMEDIA.COM

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The event was also attended by anti-vaxx campaigner Dr Aseem Malhotra, as well as Conservative MPs Desmond Swayne and Andrew Bridgen

 

[tobyjugg2]

his 'evidence' was a spoon superglued to his nose was it?

.. which was allegedly acting as a booster aerial to transmit his secrets (that he announces to anyone who will listen) to a local 5G mast?

 

... as planned by the cumming asian  bio-weapons lab that created covid magnetised 5G spoon weapon + covid magnetised 5G spoon vaccine as leaked via the X files many years ago

(More effective than you would think - You try fighting a war with a spoon on your nose and when GPS can find you anywhere through the spoon)

 

 

Send the men in white coats - they'll have a field day

Edited January 16, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

6 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

More on Bridgen and Dr Malhotra.

 

Former MEP offered paying subscribers access to a meeting of vaccine sceptics in parliament - Tortoise

WWW.TORTOISEMEDIA.COM

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The event was also attended by anti-vaxx campaigner Dr Aseem Malhotra, as well as Conservative MPs Desmond Swayne and Andrew Bridgen

 

 

 

Just a second, if this was held on the parliamentary estate, was this event, where fees were charged, funded by taxpayer money?

Like ERG meetings?

 

[theoldrouge]

Fact checking the laughable “fact checkers”
 

A Review of Full Fact’s ‘Fact Check’ of Recent Statements by Andrew Bridgen MP

 

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/17/a-review-of-full-facts-fact-check-of-recent-statements-by-andrew-bridgen-mp/

 

[tobyjugg2]

and these figures from outside of a major wave, with figures in outbreak areas suggesting unvaccinated adults are over 30 times more likely to die from coronavirus than those with updated bivalent vaccination.

 

Unvaccinated people aged 5 and over were:

* Over 18x more likely to die from covid

* Over 3x more likely to test positive

 

... tick tock, tick tock

 

Source:

 

COVID Data Tracker

COVID.CDC.GOV

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CDC's home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

 

Summary

• All vaccinated groups had overall lower risk of dying from COVID-19 and testing positive for COVID-19 compared with people who were unvaccinated.
• People who were vaccinated with an updated (bivalent) booster dose had lower rates of dying from COVID-19 and slightly lower rates of testing positive for COVID-19 compared with people who were vaccinated but had not received an updated booster dose.

 

 

 

and republicans with anti-vax/coronavirus denial sentiments far more likely to die than democrats:

 

“Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the Covid-19 Pandemic.” This trio linked 2017 voter registration in Ohio and Florida with mortality data in those same states from 2018 to 2021 at the individual level. During this period, the excess death rates were 76 percent higher among Republicans than among Democrats. Once vaccines came online for Covid-19, the gap in deaths widened—with excess death rates 153 percent higher among Republicans than among Democrats. The study also showed that these excess deaths were concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates."

 

Why Are So Many People Dying? Reaping the Anti-Vaxx Whirlwind. | The Nation

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Though it was GOP politicians who first came for the Covid vaccines, not all vaccine resistance is partisan—or political.

 

 

Some might call that poetic justice, I call it the result of anti-vax liars

 

[theoldrouge]

The Professor has explained in layman’s terms to help you and me out Mr Jugg 

 

Unequivocal Safety Signals for Heart, Blood and Reproduction Found in Yellow Card Vaccine Data, Says Top Scientist – “Withdraw Them Immediately”

 

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/18/unequivocal-safety-signals-for-heart-blood-and-reproduction-found-in-yellow-card-vaccine-data-says-top-scientist-withdraw-them-immediately/

[honeybee13]

Do you have any newspaper sources other than the Daily Sceptic, TOR?

 

I know I post from the Guardian a lot - not all the time - and I would link to the Telegraph and the Times if they didn't have paywalls. It would be good to have wider views on the covid 'conspiracy'.

[tobyjugg2]

A few right wing newspapers and nut sites maybe, although not likel many of tem,

 

While we wait ... all the real sites, and Doctors practicing medicine says things like

 

Heart Problems after COVID-19

WWW.HOPKINSMEDICINE.ORG

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Chest pain, shortness of breath and palpitations can persist after COVID-19. Are they heart related? A cardiologist provides perspective.

 

and

 

Inflammation of the heart and COVID-19 - Mayo Clinic News Network

NEWSNETWORK.MAYOCLINIC.ORG

 

and

COVID-19 and the Heart | NHLBI, NIH

WWW.NHLBI.NIH.GOV

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SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, most commonly affects the lungs but It can also lead to serious heart problems. Lung...

 

 

and of course

Unvaccinated people aged 5 and over were found to be:

* Over 18x more likely to die from covid

* Over 3x more likely to test positive

 

... tick tock, tick tock

the next wave is on its way, then the next one, then the next one

 

 

With that attrition rate, those waves are going to make a real difference to the actual numbers of REAL anti-vaxxers

 

[theoldrouge]

8 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

Do you have any newspaper sources other than the Daily Sceptic, TOR?

 

I know I post from the Guardian a lot - not all the time - and I would link to the Telegraph and the Times if they didn't have paywalls. It would be good to have wider views on the covid 'conspiracy'.

Ah there in lies the problem @honeybee13censorship both here and in the US
although as Associate Editor of the Spectator and Editor of the DS of course I very much respect Toby’s journalism credentials 
Anyway let’s give Fox News a go
 

Woman claims she has blindness in one eye, nerve and organ damage after Pfizer vaccine

Danielle Roszkowski describes her serious reaction to the Pfizer vaccine as The Washington Post says vaccinated people now make up a majority of coronavirus deaths on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight.'

 

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6316085334112

 

Edited January 18, 2023 by theoldrouge

[tobyjugg2]

56 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

 lies

 

 

LOL

So, according to you:

 

The whole worlds medical professionals and scientists are joined in a conspiracy, with just a few like  bridgen and the odd right wing site telling it like it is

 

ROFL

 

 

.. You are doomed mammals, doomed

 

 

 

Who are you going to believe

Leading authorities on medical science,

or a few nuts spouting self-contradicting drivel on social media?

[theoldrouge]

Blame Game Begins as MHRA Passes the Buck: “All the Covid Vaccine Authorisation Decisions Were Taken by the Government Minister”

BY NICK DENIM

 

19 JANUARY 2023 

 

I have just received a very interesting MHRA reply to an FOI request about whether the Healthy Secretary delegated Covid vaccine decisions to the MHRA.

MHRA said “All the Covid vaccines and therapeutics authorisation decisions were taken by the Licensing Minister and were not delegated.”

What makes this so interesting is the wider context. Under the Human Medicines Regulations, the Licensing Authority is the Secretary of State for Health. He or she delegates to MHRA all the work associated with that – licensing of medicines, pharmacovigilance, inspection of manufacturers, enforcement and so on. 

But for the Covid vaccines, MHRA is saying that the Secretary of State personally took all the decisions.

I read that as the blame game having started. I’ll explain why.

 

Blame Game Begins as MHRA Passes the Buck: "All the Covid Vaccine Authorisation Decisions Were Taken by the Government Minister" – The Daily Sceptic

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The blame game starts as MHRA passes the buck, writing in an FOI reply that "all the Covid vaccine authorisation decisions were taken by the...

 

TOR, we normally only quote about 15% of an article. I've cut down your post and added a link to the article. HB

[honeybee13]

Anger as conspiracy theorists try to link Lisa Marie Presley death to vaccines

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.U

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‘Anyone attributing Lisa Marie Presley dying to the Covid vaccine is a f***ing moron,’ one fan wrote.

[theoldrouge]

6 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Anger as conspiracy theorists try to link Lisa Marie Presley death to vaccines

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.U

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‘Anyone attributing Lisa Marie Presley dying to the Covid vaccine is a f***ing moron,’ one...

That is something that we can agree on @honeybee13there is a distinct difference between these total loons
and others who have serious concerns about the vaccine and it’s proven victims