Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

U.S. FDA says Evusheld may not protect against Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5

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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration said on Friday it does not expect AstraZeneca's COVID-19 antibody cocktail Evusheld to...

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Agree with Donald Rumsfeld

 

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns"

[tobyjugg2]

lets add some more probably now knowns until next variant then

 

Antivirals—not monoclonal antibodies—neutralize Omicron BQ.1.1, XBB

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The BQ.1.1 and XBB SARS-CoV-2 subvariants evade monoclonal antibodies but not the antiviral drugs remdesivir, molnupiravir, and Paxlovid.

 

[honeybee13]

More problems for Baroness Moan.

 

PPE Medpro: Michelle Mone-linked firm referred to UK health watchdog | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

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DHSC accused PPE Medpro of presenting false document when tendering for PPE contracts

 

[tobyjugg2]

After that we need the people in 'government' who signed off on this sacked for incompetence (at least)

[brassnecked]

We need a criminal investigation into the whole show, the PPE and the Track And Trace done on an Excel 97 spreadheeet, cost millions.

[tobyjugg2]

Thats £Billions @BN £BILLIONS - of which the majority appears to have been populist pals profits, and another big chunk just wasted through negligence. All on the taxpayer credit card at a time of increasing interest rates.

 

'the party of fiscal competence' - LOL

- more like Party of criminal corruption, grift and graft 'masked as the 'lessor' crimes of criminal negligence and rank incompetence

Edited January 8, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

21 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

We need a criminal investigation into the whole show, the PPE and the Track And Trace done on an Excel 97 spreadheeet, cost millions.

 

Although it would likely be as entirely ineffective (other than a very watered down greywash) as met corruption and Johnsons' (and his ministers) blatant on record lying and corruption or 'misleading parliament' as they already try to greywash it.

[tobyjugg2]

a more 'forthcoming' presentation on the medpro issue than HB's

 

So IMO it looks suspiciously like it could be fraud if the claims are true, with the guv not even checking their pals presented 'professional' credentials

With Mone also 'forgetting she had a stake in the company which otherwise 'just gave her 28 million quid for no reason with regard to declaring interests

Stripped of peerage and prosecuted comes to my mind. With the guv bleating that 'they were victims' as an excuse  ...

 

 

PPE Medpro: UK government alleges firm supplied defective gowns to NHS - News and Gossip

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The UK government has accused a company linked to the Conservative peer Michelle Mone of supplying defective gowns that could have...

 

[tobyjugg2]

Alleged anti-vaxxer training video and rumored precursor of GBNews

- Brass Eye reporting 'cake' scare (the drug not Johnson).

Includes MPs and 'personalities and some questionable and bad language.

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Your link doesn't work, TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

oops - worked and works for me

maybe because I was proxied when dropped link in - but it was a UK

This better?

NOTE: May not work for connections with source outside UK

 

 

Alleged anti-vaxxer training video and rumored precursor of GBNews

- Brass Eye reporting 'cake' scare (the drug not Johnson).

Includes MPs and 'personalities and some questionable and bad language.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

This is what I get.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

Here you are Mr Jugg, put your money where your keyboard finger is
All you have to do is prove the diagnostic prowess of your Israeli watches and your a millionaire 
 

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I think it is telling that nobody in the world accepted my offer to bet $1M that the vaccines killed more people than they saved. Not even the drug companies were willing to risk money on this.

In short, nobody in the entire world is willing to put their money where their mouth is when it comes to their statements on vaccine safety and efficacy.”
 

 

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-the-british-heart

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by theoldrouge

[tobyjugg2]

So why cant he or you offer some real proof to contradict the REAL facts?

 

Who are you going to believe

Leading authorities on medical science,

or some nut spouting self-contradicting drivel on social media?

 

 

As Malaysia's health service and scientists add to

USA

UK

Germany

Israel

 

In analysing reported 'possible adverse events'

 

Malaysia has so far seen 20,131 reports of side effects for over 44.8 million doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine Comirnaty - 0.045 per cent of the 44.8 million doses given

 

Of these 0.045%, the vast the majority or 94.2 per cent involves cases which are not serious, temporary and not raising any potential of risk to the health listing commonly reported side-effects as including fever, pain at the injection site, headache, muscle ache and fatigue.

 

Of those remaining,  "Dr Noor Hisham said only one case of myocarditis or inflammation of heart muscles had the possibility of being related to the Comirnaty vaccine."

 

 

One possible episode of some non-trivial inflammation in 44.8 million doses

 

 

 

Health ministry: 94.2pc of Malaysia's side-effect reports for Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine doses mild

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KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 1 — Malaysia has so far seen 20,131 reports of side effects for over 44.8 million doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine Comirnaty...

 

[theoldrouge]

And here lies the problem 
(and once again it’s the Wall Street Journal reporting)
 

The White House Covid Censorship Machine

Newly released emails show how officials coerce social-media companies to toe the government line.
 

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-covid-censorship-machine-social-media-facebook-meta-executive-rob-flaherty-free-speech-google-11673203704

 

[theoldrouge]

And here’s an example of what went on 
 

Pfizer board member Scott Gottlieb leaned on Twitter to censor tweets which argued against vaccine passports and claimed natural immunity was stronger than the shot, latest Twitter files dump reveals

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11616745/Pfizer-board-member-leaned-Twitter-censor-tweet-arguing-natural-immunity-vaccination.html

 

[tobyjugg2]

Back to the concept of is taking down covid (or any) lies which might deceive some people into harmful decisions censorship, or NOT?

 

and as I've already posted links to studies which show vaccination gives better protection for longer than natural infection

(no surprises as its also the case with traditional flu vaccines)

 

... YOUR repeatedly posting already disproven covid lies doesn't make the lies true, It just makes the posts serial lies

.. and those posts worse than worthless to anyone of sense

 

 

BUT, in the interests of clarity and honesty, Heres another QUALITY study (not from reporting some nut blog)

 

"More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated."

- Jesse Bloom, Allison Greaney, and their team at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center

 

How Immunity Generated from COVID-19 Vaccines Differs from an Infection – NIH Director's Blog

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A key issue as we move closer to ending the pandemic is determining more precisely how long people exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the COVID-19 virus...

 

 

So:

Who are you going to believe

Leading authorities on medical science,

or some nut spouting self-contradicting anti-vax drivel on social media?

Edited January 10, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

and

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

 

MYTH: If I’ve already had COVID-19, I don’t need a vaccine.

FACT: Evidence continues to indicate that getting a COVID-19 vaccine is the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you have already had COVID-19 or not.

• A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting reinfected is more than two times higher than for those who were infected and got vaccinated.
• While evidence suggests there is some level of immunity for those who previously had COVID, it is not known how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again. Plus, the level of immunity provided by the vaccines after having COVID-19 is higher than the level of immunity for those who had COVID but were not subsequently vaccinated.
• Getting vaccinated provides greater protection to others since the vaccine helps reduce the spread of COVID-19.

 

 

 

Vaccines beat natural immunity in fight against COVID-19 | Hub

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The best protection against COVID-19? Getting vaccinated, not waiting for illness to create natural immunity, says infectious disease expert Anna...

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

As usual you have ignored the crucial sentences in that Daily Mail article 
 

“ Besides being former FDA commissioner, a CNBC contributor, and a prominent voice on Covid public policy, Gottlieb was a senior board member at Pfizer, which depended on mRNA jabs for almost half its $81 billion in sales in 2021. Pfizer paid Gottlieb $365,000 for his work that year.’
 

Half its sales? Of course the narrative must be protected at all costs 

[tobyjugg2]

anti-vaxxer posts on a forum:

'Incredible vaccine fraud, 1,741 victims. Read attached link

 

Someone posts a follow up:

I read the content of the link - seems to be just some largely irrational and incoherent lunatic ramblings which are obviously not true?
 

Anti-Vaxxer Posts:

'Incredible vaccine fraud, 1,742 victims. Read attached link

 

[tobyjugg2]

On 30/12/2022 at 09:34, theoldrouge said:

As the AZ vaccine has been quietly dropped ( Macron was right all along on that one)as it stands it is the utterly experimental mRNA vaccine that I am against 
I have had the traditional flu vaccine but until the mRNA technology is proven I will not be having any vaccine that involves that technology 
 

Meanwhile the latest form Andrew Bridgen MP (on any other subject the MSM would be all over his tweets)
 

Andrew Bridgen

 

@ABridgen

 

 

Now the BMJ’s Journal of Medical Ethics confirm vaccine causes more harm than benefit to younger people. The roll out must be suspended and children must not be put at risk through these experimental mRNA treatments. https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2022/12/05/jme-2022-108449…

 

 

 

So, withdrawing your support of this claim  lie of Bridgens yet?

As well as the reputable refutes, Need the Mail to tell you as well how false it is even if in a Mail whooly sheepish way?

 

"prestigious medical journal slams Tory MP Andrew Bridgen for peddling 'misleading' claims about Covid vaccines being 'harmful' to kids"

 

Prestigious medical journal slams Tory MP Andrew Bridgen for peddling 'misleading' Covid jab claims | Daily Mail Online

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Andrew Bridgen, who represents North West Leicestershire, tweeted about an essay in a publication affiliated to the prestigious British Medical...

 

 

mail seems to agree with what I said

Its an essay submitted to a dean, NOT the opinion of the journal or the BMA, and in FACT the essay was critisised by senior staff of the journal and members of the BMA over its content.

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

Here's George Monbiot on the NHS.

 

A few hours as a patient in A&E confirmed it to me – the Tories are bleeding out the NHS | George Monbiot | The Guardian

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During my time at a local hospital, I witnessed the devastation of 13 years of government underfunding of emergency care, says Guardian columnist...

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

 

 

"Bridgen has long claimed that COVID vaccines are dangerous and backed misinformation theories related to the coronavirus pandemic"

 

"Posting unfounded conspiracy theories from sources known to propagate misinformation on the matter"

 

UK Conservative party MP booted out for comparing COVID vaccines to the Holocaust

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Vaccine conspiracist Andrew Bridgen is suspended pending probe into tweet suggesting that vaccine program is 'biggest crime against...

 

 

[honeybee13]

Twitter thread on vaccine statistics and how they're interpreted.