Mutating Corona Virus

[honeybee13]

Musk's takeover of Twitter has enabled misinformation accounts.

 

‘Verified’ anti-vax accounts proliferate as Twitter struggles to police content | Twitter | The Guardian

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Platform’s paid verification system is being used to give sense of validity to accounts pushing health misinformation

 

[honeybee13]

Things seem to be catching up with Michelle Mone.

 

Revealed: Tory peer Michelle Mone secretly received £29m from ‘VIP lane’ PPE firm | Michelle Mone | The Guardian

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Documents suggest husband passed on money from PPE Medpro, which secured £200m contracts after Mone lobbied ministers

 

[theoldrouge]

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/24/heart-deaths-spike-during-booster-vaccine-rollout-as-excess-non-covid-deaths-approach-25000/

[theoldrouge]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/23/uk-experts-helped-shut-covid-lab-leak-theory-weeks-told-might/
 

UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after being told it might be true

[honeybee13]

5 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/24/heart-deaths-spike-during-booster-vaccine-rollout-as-excess-non-covid-deaths-approach-25000/

 

Is there anywhere apart from the Daily Sceptic that believes this? It would be more credible if the team actually included a medic.

[honeybee13]

Paypal closes accounts of the Free Speech Union and the Daily Sceptic over misleading information about Covid. Young was also told off by Ipso for a misleading column.

 

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[honeybee13]

For completeness, after pressure from MPs and others, the Paypal ban was lifted.

 

PayPal lifts ban on free speech chief Toby Young's accounts after outcry from MPs | Daily Mail Online

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Paypal last night reinstated accounts run by a free speech campaign group after MPs said the ban was 'politically motivated'. Three accounts run by...

 

[tobyjugg2]

We've been here before, these are absolutely NOTHING new.

So in summery of the issues already addressed in this thread:

 

Claiming that Covid was leaked from a Chinese lab (whether by remainers or anyone else) is complete codswallop

- unless the Chinese are so immensely far ahead of the west in genetic science that they could have created a virus that only infected occidentals

- and it doesn't.

(It most likely seems generated and transported through Illicit animal trading across the orient - possibly from Indonesia)

 

A very very very very small number of 'heart issues have been associated with some vaccinations and confirmed some time ago, but they are almost exclusively mild, temporary and easily treated, except in a tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny number of cases

and such are immensely fewer and immensely milder and vastly more easily treated than heart issues related to catching covid - which are far more common.

 

 

So as we've (repeatedly) proven

* The covid vaccines are life SAVERS

* Brexit is BAD for Business, BAD for the economy, BAD for Britain and its people, and even bad for racist xenophobes who want people deporting

 

Why are you not only clutching grimly to these 'mistaken beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence, but still attempting to promote them?

 

Perhaps this will help:

 

Understanding Mistaken Beliefs (& Letting Them Go) | Wright Foundation

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Are your beliefs about the world holding you back? Here’s what you need to know about understanding mistaken beliefs.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

As the anti-vaxxers seem to now be trying to claim that heart issues as a result of covid infection,

or existing conditions that haven't been diagnosed or addressed due to the populists miss-management of treating covid and other patients (see the largely unused nightingale hospitals)

are in the conspiracy nuts 'minds the vaccines fault because they had been vaccinated  .. as 'little as six months prior to death in @theoldrougeprior 'example' (sic)

 

a reminder of some real facts.

 

 

How does coronavirus affect your heart?

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We explain how coronavirus progresses in the body, including how it can affect your heart and circulatory system.

 

 

Coronavirus and the Nervous System | National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke

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https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/heart-problems-after-covid19

 

 

 

and lets not forget how many change their minds when they are in hospital on a ventilator

Edited November 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

 

Covid-19 infection increases risk of heart disease, blood clots, stroke: UK study

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Over the past two and half years, Covid-19 has caused many health-related side effects. New studies have revealed that Covid infection has severely...

 

 

Plus

 

A Canadian heart researcher says a rapid response is needed to address the surge in cardiovascular cases linked to COVID-19 following recent studies that show the virus can increase a person’s risk of developing heart problems.

“This is not new…. We’ve known about it for a long time that the risk is there … and now what we’re seeing two or three years in is that the risk is starting to manifest,” Dr. Glen Pyle, professor of Molecular Cardiology and member of IMPART at Dalhousie Medicine, told Global News.

 

Pyle pointed to a study called Long COVID-19: A Primer for Cardiovascular Health Professionals in the Canadian Journal of Cardiology published in 2021, which states that “cardiac injury has been documented in up to 45 per cent of inpatients with COVID-19 and has been linked to worse outcomes” like a stroke or heart failure.

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

So now @tobyjugg2you are attempting to somehow connect covid and brexit
You are sounding more like a mini version of Trump in your efforts to deny democracy 
 

meanwhile despite paypals efforts to stifle free speech 
 

“New Fauci Emails Reveal Lab Leak Cover-Up Happening in Real Time”
 

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/25/new-fauci-emails-reveal-lab-leak-cover-up-happening-in-real-time/

 

[honeybee13]

I don't understand the bit about denying democracy, TOR.

[tobyjugg2]

28 minutes ago, theoldrouge said:

 

 

 

They died suddenly - then the anti-vax trolling started

 

"How long's it been since she got the jab?", hundreds of people began to reply.

Victoria's wife - had an advanced stage of cancer, though she had been doing better just before she died. There is no suggestion the vaccine had anything to do with her death.

When she began to hit back, Victoria was told she was lying.

"They were trolling her obituary, literally."

 

One headline reads: "My kind, compassionate son died unexpectedly." Another clip shows a young athlete dramatically keeling over. Yet just a couple more clicks would reveal the son in question died in a car crash.

And the athlete, college basketball player Keyontae Johnson, collapsed in December 2020 before he could even have had a Covid vaccine. He didn't die suddenly as the title suggests - he returned to the court last week.

Other people featured are also still alive.

And several of the genuine deaths are explained by an alternative cause within the very news reports used as evidence by the film makers.

 

They died suddenly - then the anti-vax trolling started

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A new "documentary" falsely blames Covid vaccines for deaths of young people.

[tobyjugg2]

17 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/23/uk-experts-helped-shut-covid-lab-leak-theory-weeks-told-might/
 

UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after someone suggested it might be true which was found to be codswallop

 

Corrected

 

and before you claim otherwise, look at what Fauci actually said then, and as the claim was examined by bio-labs across the world

- part of one part of a sentence, taken out of context and ignoring all the clarifications since

 

In Feb 2020 fauci was stating didn't know its source and has since clarified, along with many experts, it was NOT created in a lab and leaked accidentally or otherwise.

 

That SARS virii were in many labs across the world being studied, and the same quite sensibly occurred with SARS-COV-2 is a different issue entirely.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

Bob Seely, the Tory MP and member of the Commons foreign affairs committee, said: ‘It is depressing and alarming that influential scientists seem to have had private concerns over the possibility of the pandemic emerging from a laboratory even as they publicly denied such ideas.

‘One of the most serious issues emerging from this sorry saga has been the role of senior figures in science stamping on any questioning of the origins or open sense of transparency. It beggars belief what has gone on.’

[tobyjugg2]

Hes entitled to his opinion,

but NOT to present his opinion is stating others opinion (or worse - misrepresent others opinions and findings) without clear evidence and support from those others 

.. which seems to be entirely lacking, as is commonly the case in the claims of the barking bonkers brigade.

 

although I do acknowledge he may be deliberately and knowing misrepresenting facts rather than simply being a conspiracy nut.

 

 

We already know that the real experts have REPEATEDLY said it isnt a lab created virus - including Fauci

 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I think it's the same story, I read something that said a Telegraph article had misreported people like Patrick Vallance and possibly Jeremy Farrar on Covid.

[honeybee13]

So the government want the army to stand in for the health service when the strikes happen. I can't imagine there are enough of them available.

 

Meanwhile, the Home Office are shipping migrants all over the country, even though some of them are infected with diphtheria from Manston, to pass it to the rest of the population. Have they learned nothing from when Covid-positive patients were sent to care homes?

[tobyjugg2]

Do note though that the ******* guv and their shill media are using nudge techniques trying to imply the army will save the NHS from strikers

 

Of course, us ordinary folk know the NHS is the staff working in it.

 

 

[theoldrouge]

Cancer specialist says Covid boosters are harming his patients 
 

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/cancer-specialist-says-covid-boosters-are-harming-his-patients/

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

So as usual - no peer reviewed assessment or even proper study - just one persons possibly misrepresented opinion or misrepresenting science?

So as usual - one person vs 99% of the scientific opinion - and you present the (sub) 1%

 

I'll bet you deny the yanks went to the moon too eh?

and I'll bet you believe the world is run by alien lizards

what others?

Edited November 29, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

To counter @theoldrouges monstrous, twisted and evil (IMO) dis-information about the horrors of cancer, Covid and the benefits of vaccination

Just a few of the many statements from the real people helping cancer patients

 

 

Mortality in patients with cancer and coronavirus disease 2019: A systematic review and pooled analysis of 52 studies - PubMed

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Patients with cancer who develop COVID-19 have high probability of mortality. Appropriate and aggressive preventive measures must be...

 

 

Results: Fifty-two studies, involving a total of 18,650 patients with both COVID-19 and cancer, were selected for the pooled analysis. A total of 4243 deaths were recorded in this population. The probability of death was 25.6% (95% CI: 22.0%-29.5%; I² = 48.9%) in this patient population.

Conclusions: Patients with cancer who develop COVID-19 have high probability of mortality. Appropriate and aggressive preventive measures must be taken to reduce the risk of COVID-19 in patients with cancer and to optimally manage those who do contract the infection.

 

 

Coronavirus (covid) and cancer

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We understand that people with cancer are worried about coronavirus. Here is the latest guidance.

 

Protecting yourself from covid

No matter where you live, here are some suggestions from Macmillan’s cancer specialists that can help keep you safe:

• Have all doses of the covid vaccine, including boosters when they are offered to you.
• Have the flu vaccine when it is offered to you. 
• Try to avoid close contact with people who have not been vaccinated.
• Continue to take precautions that feel right for you, for example:
  • meet people outside when possible
  • wear a mask in public places or when meeting indoors with people you don’t live with
  • avoid crowds
  • continue with good hand washing/hand sanitising
  • keep rooms well ventilated if you have guests at home.

 

Advice on protecting yourself against coronavirus | Cancer Research UK

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Some people have a weakened immune system or a blood cancer. If you are in this group, you should take extra care to protect yourself. Find out...

 

If you have a weakened immune system, follow the advice from your healthcare team. In England, the advice on how to protect yourself if you have a weakened immune system is:

• ensure you have had all of the vaccines you are eligible to have, including booster jabs
• continue to follow any specific advice from your healthcare team for your cancer or treatment
• work from home, but if you can't, speak to your employer about any temporary arrangements they can make to reduce your risk
• don’t meet with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 (and anyone in their household) until 10 days after their positive test
• try to avoid people who have symptoms of COVID-19, other respiratory infections, a temperature or who feel unwell
• avoid enclosed, crowded spaces
• practise social distancing if that feels right for you and your friends
• ventilate your home by opening windows and doors to let fresh air in
• ask friends and family to take a rapid lateral flow antigen test before visiting you
• wear a face covering in crowded public spaces – it can provide some protection
• ask home visitors to wear face coverings
• wash your hands regularly and avoid touching your face

 

 

COVID-19 Vaccines in People with Cancer

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Learn about COVID-19 vaccines in people with cancer, including the benefits and possible side effects.

 

The ACS supports the NCCN recommendation that all people with cancer should be fully vaccinated as soon as they can with the COVID-19 primary vaccine series, plus additional booster doses. 

Even if you've already had COVID-19, it’s still important to be vaccinated.

Edited November 30, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[theoldrouge]

8 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

 

To counter @theoldrouges monstrous, twisted and evil (IMO) dis-information about the horrors of cancer, Covid and the benefits of vaccination

 

So in a comment worthy of Kim Jong Un
you choose to insinuate that an open letter from a Cancer Specialist to the BMJ ,as correctly reported ,is ,in your totally unqualified opinion “ monstrous twisted and evil “
or could it just be that now investigations by several journalists are gathering pace that you are starting to panic that your narrative of the last two years is starting to fall apart 
hence the constant wittering on about Icke

[honeybee13]

Leaked documents from the Covid inquiry.

 

Officials slow to act on Covid contact-tracing warnings, leaked evidence says | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Exclusive: Evidence to UK Covid inquiry describes missed chances to improve test-and-trace regime in early days of pandemic

 

[tobyjugg2]

2 hours ago, theoldrouge said:

So in a comment worthy of Kim Jong Un
you choose to insinuate that an open letter from a Cancer Specialist to the BMJ ,as correctly reported ,is ,in your totally unqualified opinion “ monstrous twisted and evil “
or could it just be that now investigations by several journalists are gathering pace that you are starting to panic that your narrative of the last two years is starting to fall apart 
hence the constant wittering on about Icke

 

No thats referring to your spreading of that disinformation

 

So if your spreading of a single (or handful) of peoples un-reviewed opinion which flies in the face of all major medical bodies evidence based opinion causes some cancer patient to refuse the vaccine recommended by their specialits and they die (as real stats and evidence show is many times more likely)

- YOU have contributed to their death

 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by tobyjugg2