UKPC ANPR PCN - Campbells Meadow Retail Park Kings Lynn PE30 4YN

[joe1965]

1 Date of the infringement 7/11/22

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date 10/11/22
 

3 Date received 14/11/22
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012?  Yes
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A
 

7 Who is the parking company? UKPC

 

8. Where exactly  Campbells Meadow Retail Park Kings Lynn
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

BPA

 

Car park is used by a 24 hour gym.

If parked there after 10PM you have to enter your details into a console but as I was nearly finished i went over the time by 17 minutes, There is no charge at any other time to use it and others like myself who have been caught out and tried to appeal have been told it's tough and pay up!

 

Where do I stand on this?

 

 

UKPC letter re PCN.pdf

[dx100uk]

who did you appeal too?

 

dx

 

[joe1965]

I havent yet, it only arrived today.

 

[FTMDave]

Don't appeal, as you've seen from others it gets you nowhere, and on top of that they've probably outed themselves as the driver.

 

You've blanked out the Vehicle Arrival, Vehicle Departure and Vehicle Duration bits.  Can you tell us what is printed there please?

[joe1965]

Arrival - 21:13:24

Departure - 22:17:53

Duration - 1 hour 4 minutes

[Nicky Boy]

They haven't even said the vehicle was parked... just "present on site"

 

On Google Street View, there doesn't appear to be any UKPC parking signage between the roundabout and the "other" car park entrance next to the gym...

 

Can you confirm Joe?

 

Also, it may be prudent to get pictures of the lack of signage next time you visit, for possible future evidence.

[honeybee13]

Thread title amended to show the location.

 

HB

[joe1965]

@Nicky Boy I’ll check signage when I go tonight.

Tha car park is free to use for up to three hours between 06.00 and 22.00.

This charging is mainly to stop the groups of young drivers meeting up there that time of night even though they have never been a bother to anyone.

 

[Nicky Boy]

It would be interesting to see the exact wording on the signs. (Pics please).

 

It could be argued that as you entered at 21:13:24, you were entitled stay until 00:13:24...

[joe1965]

I’ll get some photos tonight.

As I said in OP, we’re supposed to put our details into a console if there after 22.00 but as already there????

Ive had private tickets in the past but this is the first one with a schedule 4 notice on it and that makes me unsure how to proceed.

[Homer67]

Ignore everything (but keep it) unless you get a Letter Before Action. I doubt they would try this on in court

[joe1965]

@Nicky BoyI have photos but can't upload them as taken with an iphone.

 

[dx100uk]

of course you can

read upload it tells you how

 

dx

 

[joe1965]

Hopefully the pictures are on the attachment.

 

Funny thing is this is the second time I’ve taken these photos and in the time between they have moved them from being about six foot from the ground to fifteen for some reason.

 

signs.pdf

[FTMDave]

So the signs state a maximum stay of three hours.

 

You stayed a lot less than three hours.

 

Nothing there about after 10pm, console, etc.

[Nicky Boy]

As Dave says, no mention on signs of 6am to 10pm only.

What makes you believe that restriction exists Joe?

[joe1965]

There is a console within the gym and members have been told to ensure they log their vehicles if they are there after 10.

 

But as you’ve said there is nothing on the signage that gives a restriction.

[FTMDave]

Looks like you're home & dry then.

[joe1965]

Just this schedule four thing which I don’t really understand.

Had tickets before but none with that on it. Does it change anything legally?

[FTMDave]

It changes very little.

 

If the fleecers follow Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 - yes, this has been around since 2012 - they can transfer liability from the driver to the keeper.  That's all.

 

It's no help whatsoever for them if they try to pursue someone for breaking a condition which isn't even shown on their signs.

 

 

[Nicky Boy]

So, just wait for all the inevitable threatening letters. File them away and don't respond to anything, unless you get a letter of claim, then come back here for advice.

[lookinforinfo]

I suspect there is another sign there at least which has a different rule or rules to the one you showed. If that is the case then as the sign at the entrance is an offer to treat rather than forming a contract you can select the most favourable sign to your circumstance.

[joe1965]

I’ll have a look when I go again and see if there is any variations in the signage.

[joe1965]

Well I had the debt collectors letter today wanting money. And in the final paragraph of the letter there was a link

 

 https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0116.html 

 

and saying this shows it's all lawful so you must pay.

Is there more to this story than they are saying?

[dx100uk]

of course.

ignore them.

 

dx