Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[honeybee13]

Ex-ambassador's Twitter thread on the current negotiations.

 

 

[unclebulgaria67]

So Simon Clarke is as consequence saying that there needs to be a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. EU and Ireland would require this to protect integrity of EU customs area.

 

Why give in to DUP position which wants to take Northern Ireland backwards. They don't really want  to take part in Northern Ireland parliament while they don't have enough seats to ensure they hold the First Minister position.  So not really a democratic party ?

[honeybee13]

I agree, I think a lot of it is about the DUP not wanting to play second fiddle in Stormont.

 

Unless the UK's red lines change, we'll just keep going round this loop. Brexiters don't seem able to see that there are only three options, given their own red lines:

 

Border between NI and Ireland

Border in the Irish sea

The UK becomes a member of the SM/CU.

[honeybee13]

William Hague's column in the Times today is about the negotiations and DUP/ERG tactics.

 

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[tobyjugg2]

Long past time the legally overdue elections in NI were held, and the DUP lose its position if it survives at all as a 'legitimate' power, rather than the Westminster poopulists again not meeting their commitments and requirements and batting the NI assembly elections into the long grass for a year.

 

Its only by refusing constitutional rights, let alone common decency that these 'Tory **** are staying in power,

[unclebulgaria67]

This  video confirms real reasons DUP don't want any protocol deal, to enable functioning Stormont parliament.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Worth a read on the NI issues

 

https://link.news.inews.co.uk/view/61fb0feaaf01060b825d0999i89cp.i8a/a2531bd9

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

On 21/02/2023 at 09:04, honeybee13 said:

William Hague's column in the Times today is about the negotiations and DUP/ERG tactics.

 

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Thats mainly jingoism with a few unassailable facts intended to mask that the situation hasnt really changed with Truss or Sunack IMO HB.

 

Its not just the leaders who warrant no trust, despite Johnson being an extreme in the lying ****ards league. its the entire way the party is at the moment.

I dont think anyone expects the current UK ruling party to honor any deals it makes.

 

[honeybee13]

That's the problem IMO. Other countries are having problems trusting the UK because it's tried to reverse treaties it's signed. 

 

And investors are wondering if it's worth investing in UK businesses. 

 

Changing the subject a bit, how are people finding the availability of fruit and vegetables and especially salads? Therese Coffey doesn't seem to care but how are things in the real world?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

12 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

That's the problem IMO. Other countries are having problems trusting the UK because it's tried to reverse treaties it's signed. 

 

And investors are wondering if it's worth investing in UK businesses. 

 

To easily export to who?

Brits are mostly tightening their belts ... except those in the Porsche or foreign villa market .. or the move out of London market ..

 

 

12 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

 

Changing the subject a bit, how are people finding the availability of fruit and vegetables and especially salads? Therese Coffey doesn't seem to care but how are things in the real world?

 

 

I get through quite a few peppers, and they are more expensive for less, with limited availability.

Expect a run on them ...

Caulies, Broccoli  and cabbage seem OKish here so far

 

 

[honeybee13]

To answer your export question, TJ, the EU. If the rules around the TCA could be talked through sensibly and relaxations of the rules found if the UK and EU aren't at each other's throats.

[tobyjugg2]

On 21/02/2023 at 08:22, honeybee13 said:

I agree, I think a lot of it is about the DUP not wanting to play second fiddle in Stormont.

 

Unless the UK's red lines change, we'll just keep going round this loop. Brexiters don't seem able to see that there are only three options, given their own red lines:

 

Border between NI and Ireland

Border in the Irish sea

The UK becomes a member of the SM/CU.

 

 

,,As they are bending to breaking point the law to avoid an election in NI which could easily mean the DUP as a very minority party and strides toward a reunified (Federal) Ireland  ..in the EU

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[honeybee13]

It's a risk they're running and a very dangerous one given how volatile NI can be.

[tobyjugg2]

I think they would rather that than a democratic vote leading to the DUP meaningless as a political power and Ireland  united in the EU.

[honeybee13]

It's unclear why it's happening now but the ERG's star chamber have come up with an alternative plan just as negotiations with the EU seemed to be coming to a close.

 

Lawyers advising Tory Eurosceptics submit fresh post-Brexit plan to Sunak | Brexit | The Guardian

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Three-page letter proposes legal device to end rule of EU law in Northern Ireland, as talks with bloc continue

 

[tobyjugg2]

5 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

To answer your export question, TJ, the EU. If the rules around the TCA could be talked through sensibly and relaxations of the rules found if the UK and EU aren't at each other's throats.

 

LOL

circular logic HB

Thats why there is such a poor export market - and no real change in sight

 

aka if they agree a deal that they dont renege on .. including safty measures for the 'other party'that the UK wont simply decide to unilaterally revoke the parts of whatever they agrree to that they dont like

 

 

... as you point out:

 

2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

It's unclear why it's happening now but the ERG's star chamber have come up with an alternative plan just as negotiations with the EU seemed to be coming to a close.

 

Lawyers advising Tory Eurosceptics submit fresh post-Brexit plan to Sunak | Brexit | The Guardian

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Three-page letter proposes legal device to end rule of EU law in Northern Ireland, as talks with bloc continue

 

 

 

aka We have another wicked wheeze that means if we simply say heres a deal, but that we dont have to or intend to  honor nobody will notice and we'll get all we want because its such a wicked wheeze bunter

 

 

The real issue is has Sunack got the gonads to press through his 'whatever' without a vote ...

and how long would it last if he did.

 

Starmer had the gonads to get rid of Corbyn, Sunack doen't have the gonads to get rid of Johnson and Truss, let alone handbag the ERG

 

Wheres the wicked witch and the biggest pair of Gonads the Tory party has ever had when you need her?

Somebody hold a seance and release her from hades for a night ... that should do it.

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[tobyjugg2]

Tell you what, lets do a little sanity check on the 'green lane' proposal ...

 

* Wasn't one of the solutions to the whole border issue a technical solution ... waaaaaayyyy back?

Hows the systems going to support that years in? .. well other than lorry parks until loads of lorries stopped coming and going which just reduced the load and the business

 

* Whats been done to implement the ground work for the systems to support a green lane customs channel?

- They haven't even got their own parties support for it  let alone got anything actually done - quite the opposite

 

2 similar proposals ...

2 similar results - Loads of spin - Sweet FA done

 

Background reading

https://www.aseanbriefing.com/news/the-guide-to-import-and-export-procedures-in-singapore/

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[tobyjugg2]

 

[tobyjugg2]

Yellowhammer turns out to be just another rusty spanner from a bunch of spanners

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

A good thread pulling together the issues and demonstrating its not an EU shortage or EU weather issue

 

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

As over fed, over weight, and over paid Coffee tells OTHERS to eat turnips to work around her and the poopulists abysmal failures

(she seems to be treating herself to plenty of cake)

 

‘Let them eat turnips’: Tory minister wades in on how to ease supermarket shortages

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Environment secretary says shortages should be resolved in two to four weeks

 

 

Sadiq Khan feeds hungry kids benefiting 270,000 children - and our future

 

London to offer free school meals to all primary pupils for a year | School meals | The Guardian

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Exclusive: Sadiq Khan’s plan, spurred by ministers’ ‘failure to act’, will save families about £440 for every child

 

 

I think that defines the differences between the parties rather well

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[tobyjugg2]

So, given the poopulists and Sunacks rhetoric about leading the world in support of Ukraine,

When is the UK going to lead the way and sanction India over its sanction busting trade with Russia?

 

(being as the UKs proposed trade deal with India aint worth squat, just  like the Australian one)

[honeybee13]

In the Sunday Times today.

 

Tory infighting, an angry DUP, an ex-leader swearing on the sidelines, and calls to get Brexit done. It’s like we’ve travelled Back to the Future

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There are some interesting comments about a leaked document that was written for Johnson when he was PM. It said his NIP bill might not be worth the paper it was written on and that “there would be a high likelihood the EU would challenge this argument in international arbitration” and that “the UK would have to pay reparations to the EU, even in arbitration” should Brussels take out infraction proceedings against the UK.'

[tobyjugg2]

Anyway, enough of this doom and gloom and problems in NI,

lets look at some Brexit benefits driving growth jobs co-operation and investment ... For French and RoI ports

 

"For decades, the cheapest and fastest way to move goods between Ireland and the continent was the so-called “land bridge” via Britain and the Dover-Calais crossing. Brexit’s double whammy of customs checks and delays has hugely increased both costs and uncertainty, prompting businesses to bypass the UK.

The consequences for the two ports have been spectacular. Given a chance by Brexit to persuade traders that the longer sea crossing between Ireland and mainland Europe was now viable, Cherbourg and Rosslare have seized it with both hands.

Before the UK left the EU, Rosslare Europort was an underused facility with just six sailings a week to the continent, all into Cherbourg. Now it has 30-plus, to Cherbourg, Le Havre, Bilbao, Dunkirk and Zeebrugge – a fivefold increase that has led to record overall freight traffic"

"The surge in continental traffic has created more than 200 new jobs around Rosslare port – which is operated by the state-owned Irish Rail – and boosted the entire region, Carr said. “And the port is the engine driver for the south-east,” he added.

Investment in and around Rosslare is surging. The port itself has launched an ambitious expansion and overhaul programme – including new access roads, deepening the harbour, automation, digitalisation, and offshore wind energy"

 

"Cherbourg, too, is expanding and upgrading both passenger and freight facilities. A new rail freight link is scheduled to open next year with Bayonne in south-west France, boosting traffic transiting between Spain, Portugal and Ireland via the Normandy port by an estimated 20,000 units a year."

 

 

‘Brits are suffering but for us it’s boom time’: how Brexit boosted French and Irish ports | Brexit | The Guardian

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The cheapest way from Ireland to Europe used to be via Dover. But now Cherbourg and Rosslare are thriving

 

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[honeybee13]

I was bound to happen, I suppose. UK ports could soon be as fed up as hothouse salad growers.