Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

Apparently the SA (south Africa) mutated version is even worse than the SEE (South East England) version

and both those versions seem to be well out of the box, perhaps the SA version slightly less out than the SEE one as far as Europeans are concerned.

Haven't heard much about the US metropolitan mutated version which also apparently mutated along 'similar' lines

 

There is some indications that the SA mutation may sidestep the current vaccines with the possible exception of moderna from one report - which I haven't substantiated or cross referenced in any way. So its all largely hearsay as far as I am concerned so far.

 

The mRNA vaccine manufacturers are saying they are confident that they can quickly create a new vaccine to address that - even easier (sic) than they currently do with flu strains - which only half comforts me..

 

The spread of more infectious (multiple) versions in such a short space of time, especially given the amount of mutations that are involved in each variant stain cause me significant concern.

 

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[tobyjugg2]

1 hour ago, hightail said:

And Boris is due to respond, presumably in kind.  They're like bloody kids trying to outdo each other.

??

 

Boris should have locked down London and Kent as soon as that new strain was identified.]

If he'd locked it down at the start of December, it would not have been so disasterous when everyone who could, tested or not, infected or not,  legged it out of London at the last minute.

- many on public transport which quickly sold out of tickets.

 

In 7-14 days time .... we will pobably see this waves peak ... if we are lucky and the lockdown is targeted properly and effective - FAT chance.

Be interesting to see if

fox hunts are still allowed

Still no temperature checks (with a test required for a high temp) at supermatkets

Schools inadequately resourced even for the lesser number of essential workers kids

- or whether school workers are told to switch of their 'essential' covid app and suffer in silence..

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[hightail]

54 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Boris should have locked down London and Kent as soon as that new strain was identified.

Probably but he didn't and here we are.  I don't much care what decisions he makes any more - just wish he'd make some without moaning about how difficult it is for him, how heavy his heart is, how much he regrets it.  He wanted the bloody job, saw himself as some sort of Churchilian second coming and now won't stop whinging.

[tobyjugg2]

.. and cant start competently leading

[tobyjugg2]

37 minutes ago, hightail said:

Probably but he didn't and here we are.  I don't much care what decisions he makes any more - just wish he'd make some without moaning about how difficult it is for him, how heavy his heart is, how much he regrets it.  He wanted the bloody job, saw himself as some sort of Churchilian second coming and now won't stop whinging.

 

I see your point I think

I dont listen to his burbling pompous pretentious rubbish - just read what someone more 'growed up says about the decision afterwards - or the mail / express / wherever from the leak before he grandstands and postures ...

 

Listening to him adds nothing, and if it seemed to, you couldn't trust it anyway.

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[tobyjugg2]

For those who haven't seen it - the reality

 

 

and Handcock lying that they have been given a substantial rise

 

 

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[tobyjugg2]

as incompetent numpty Johnson shuts schools a day after they open.

Everyone knew it was the right thing to do except Johnson, Handcock and Williamson it would seem.

 

Daughter has no real idea whats happening and will need to ring her and her sons school in the morning to find out if/what they know and whats happening.

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

What did people think of Doris's announcement last night?

 

On a lighter note, someone has invented Boris Briefing BS Bingo.

 

[brassnecked]

Any permutation and can mix lines to come up with more of his fatuous spoutings HB  Tick them off as he says them, then what prize for a Line or a Full House?  A secret trip to Inverness .

[tobyjugg2]

like many others, daughter is at work today, as is her other half, and last minute arrangements needed to be made in a tier 4 lockdown to care for 6 year old whos school was effectively closed at 8PM last night, rather than the plans in place before Christmas, or at the very very very very very latest between Christmas and New year as any even half way competent government could, would and should have managed

- even after mishandling the new London strain outbreak which has made this and everyone's situation worse.

 

Did Johnson 'The incompetent Liar' , Handcock and Williamson really think something was magically going to get better overnight when all thats happening is the situation deteriorating by the day?

 

[honeybee13]

It was badly handled as ever, wasn't it?

 

I'm really hoping that they use this lockdown to organise and plan properly. A testing system that works, making schools safe, etc.

 

My OH's office has been operating on 25-50% capacity for months, with a rota system and strict hygiene. You'd hope that schools could have, say, half the children on alternate weeks with a deep clean in between and remote learning for the kids at home. They need to make sure all the kids having a laptop and also an internet connection at home, which they don't seem to have done much about.

[tobyjugg2]

Another Johnson/Williamson BS lie 'aspiration'

Claim: 200,000 then a million laptops/tabs for kids schooling

- even less money than feeding the kids - but still not a chance from Johnson.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/07/were-still-waiting-schools-still-lack-free-laptops-pledged-to-help-poorer-gcse-pupils

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/get-laptops-and-tablets-for-children-who-cannot-attend-school-due-to-coronavirus-covid-19

 

Wonder how good a bid acer/samsung/amazon/argos/john Lewis would make to deliver a million tabs pre-loaded with school software?

 

as long as it isnt done by the Tory millions to middlemen pals process -Bet you it would work out at 30 quid a tab or less - take it out of the £12 billion serco trace and test dont deserve to get or the half billion plus that the PPE none suppliers shouldn't get.

 

Sort those out and you could feed the kids from Fortnam and masons and give them private tutors..

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[tobyjugg2]

Cant wait to hear everyone present to shout Bingo at the next briefing.

That really needs to happen.

[honeybee13]

That would be excellent.   Spread the word.

[tobyjugg2]

"People can go walking with a friend but cannot sit down with them for more than a very short rest"

“don’t sit down together, otherwise it no longer counts as exercise”

Says Gove

 

I assume that doesn't include any barriers to going out on a horse with friends as you are already sitting down ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-lockdown-rules-walk-friend-b1782428.html

 

 

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[citizenB]

 

[honeybee13]

That top photo is really scary, CB. Please tell me he won't still be PM in 2035.

[tobyjugg2]

Talking to his pal Donald, who is holed up in the whitehouse refusing to leave, claiming diplomatic immunity from his crimes

[citizenB]

51 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

That top photo is really scary, CB. Please tell me he won't still be PM in 2035.

Not sure I care if he is or not, HB - very unlikely I will be around

[tobyjugg2]

Starmer kicking at easy victory into touch

 

 

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[brassnecked]

Starmer making himself unelectable then.

[snowdragon]

Heaven help us if he is or if a Labour Party are running the country! Johnson is a buffoon,  tbh there is no one capable  right now of running this country, maybe all the CAG team would do 100% better Lol

 

 Happy/ or not so New Year

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[tobyjugg2]

Dunno about that bn, he's still head, shoulders and Torso above Johnson, its Starmers presentation thats lacking.

 

and unimpressive as he was, still 10 floors higher than 'Mable from Burlington wants to know when her little Errol-Rodney and Pippa-Porcerlane can get back to school as they have been excluded for almost a year since the school was almost burnt down ..

 

and I have absolutely zero doubts that the Pandemic at least would have been managed immensely more competently if it had been in Starmers hands

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[tobyjugg2]

Starmer really should use Milliband and some of the others more.

[tobyjugg2]

Q: How can people have confidence in you when on Sunday you said schools should stay open, and on Monday you announced they must close?

 

Johnson says the government has been looking at the new variant for some time.

 

That says it all really