Article 50 Discussion

[Laura Thyme]

No Laura, its that their brooms won't work beyond Halloween.

:lol: :lol:

[Laura Thyme]

As an ardent remainer,

Careful here, I'm sure a couple of dudes round here will start calling you a remoaner.

 

I do think that you are being particularly unkind to the UK. The UK has some beautiful and historic countryside, some fantastic buildings and can be a wonderful place.

Of course, otherwise there wouldn't be as many tourists.

 

Having said that I am truly concerned about how we will survive the fallout of leaving the EU , come to that , will the EU survive in a recognisable form.

The EU will, there's 27 of them. Do they really care about a rebellious sibling wanting to cut ties?

If the UK was to stay and negotiate terms with the EU, that would probably encourage other EU members to do the same and could result in a less federalist EU more akin got the EEC, however, a "hard Brexit" would just leave them saying "good riddance".

 

The referendum was only ADVISORY - although maybe any government would be silly to go against it

Yes 52% voted to leave but 28% didn't vote, want they actually wanted we will never know

Out of the 52 % that voted leave , there may have been several reasons for the vote , but there again the remainers possibly had various reasons to want to remain

 

As the referendum was only advisory and we live in a representative and not direct democracy I think that Parliament must be involved in the negotiations because there is no mandate for either side to act in a particular way - that would come from a general election and manifesto promises.

Indeed, it was advisory and not legally binding. I have previously compared it with, say, posting a poll on here to ask something like: "would you like to see less ads on CAG?" A lot of people may well say "yes, we would", however, the site owner may well decide that the ads make the site financially viable and won't change that. I suspect there is a parallel there and the EU may well make the UK financially viable.

[Consumer dude]

Who's turn is it now ?. Lol..

[fletch70]

I think it says it all when watching this weeks Question Time and a young man who voted Brexit said that Trump was doing a lot for African Americans.

[fletch70]

That's a lot of mad emotion..

 

 

I reckon she must be pretty mad (angry)

[honeybee13]

Who's turn is it now ?. Lol..

 

What do you mean please, CD? You started the thread.

 

HB

[unclebulgaria67]

I think it says it all when watching this weeks Question Time and a young man who voted Brexit said that Trump was doing a lot for African Americans.

 

I saw that and was a bit surprised.

 

There are anarchist groups who are trying to brainwash young people in many countries to support candidates to shake up the liberal centrist policies of the last 30 years. They see supporting Brexit, Corbyn and Trump etc as a way of creating a chaotic position which will see politics damaged so much that people will look for alternatives.

 

I heard someone the other day say that Corbyn was being supported by protest groups because they believed that they can achieve more by stirring up tensions in society, than they could through electing a government that would inevitably be made to follow a centrist liberal agenda by Parliament and Civil Servants.

 

If Trump were elected as President it would cause massive problems in American and world politics, which would please many on the far right and far left of politics. On the far right they might think that Trump will try to implement policies like building the Mexican wall, reducing workers rights and a more agressive approach to international relations. On the left they would see an increase in support for their protest movements.

[WarrenBuffet]

He can't get his broomstick to work honeybee13.

[WarrenBuffet]

While normal people see WW3 with a lunatic in charge.

[determindator]

16 and 17 year olds who couldn't vote but will be of age by the time Brexit is finalised, and possible a few who may have changed their mind. Is that what's REALLY worrying you lot?

 

I was thinking of the 18 year olds plus

[Consumer dude]

What do you mean please, CD? You started the thread.

 

HB

 

I was keeping the humour going as sometimes with heated debates it can take the edge off things..

[determindator]

I saw that and was a bit surprised.

 

There are anarchist groups who are trying to brainwash young people in many countries to support candidates to shake up the liberal centrist policies of the last 30 years. They see supporting Brexit, Corbyn and Trump etc as a way of creating a chaotic position which will see politics damaged so much that people will look for alternatives.

 

I heard someone the other day say that Corbyn was being supported by protest groups because they believed that they can achieve more by stirring up tensions in society, than they could through electing a government that would inevitably be made to follow a centrist liberal agenda by Parliament and Civil Servants.

 

 

Maybe this is the divide and conquer theory manifesting itself.

[honeybee13]

I was keeping the humour going as sometimes with heated debates it can take the edge off things..

 

I'm not sure I follow the humour, but in your opinion whose turn is it then?

 

HB

[AndyOrch]

Thread tidied off topic posts moved to a new thread in General Legal Issues.

 

Andy

[king12345]

Comments posted in response to this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3828042/All-3-5million-EU-migrants-living-Britain-allowed-stay-Home-Office-finds-five-six-legally-deported.html#comments

 

 

If that wasn't enough, there's also this gem:

:mad2::mad2::mad2::mad2:

 

 

 

I thought you we're talking about this thread.

We all know that mad people exist.

I don't even pay attention to them, why do you?

[determindator]

I thought you we're talking about this thread.

We all know that mad people exist.

I don't even pay attention to them, why do you?

 

I thought LT was talking about the first post on this thread also.

[Laura Thyme]

I reckon she must be pretty mad (angry)

You've been watching Trump! It's common American usage to say someone's mad to mean angry.

I thought you we're talking about this thread.

We all know that mad people exist.

I don't even pay attention to them, why do you?

I posted the fuming smilies right below the worst comment of all. The anger was cumulative as they were all disgraceful, but that last one summed it all up.

[Laura Thyme]

Looks like I was right all along when I said people didn't know what they were voting for: http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10

 

It has become a commonplace: The notion that many people who voted "Leave" in the EU referendum now regret their vote because they didn't think "Leave" would win or they didn't realise the consequences of leaving the Single Market would be so bad.

If you search for "Brexit I didn't think it would happen" you get dozens of stories about hapless voters who thought they were merely casting a protest vote, not fundamentally altering the economic and constitutional basis of the entire country.

 

Now, a poll from British Election Study, an academic group dedicated to voting trend research, has found that the portion of Leave voters who regret their vote (or "don't know") is greater than the total margin of victory for Brexit.

The margin in the Brexit vote was 52% to 48% in favour of Leave. The BES study suggests that if the vote were taken again today then Britain would stay inside the EU.

I rest my case.

[king12345]

Looks like I was right all along when I said people didn't know what they were voting for: http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-vote-regret-leave-margin-victory-2016-10

 

 

 

 

 

I rest my case.

 

That's what barristers say before their clients are sentenced to life imprisonment

They too are very sure that they're right, but unfortunately for them society thinks differently.

[WarrenBuffet]

I see the Brexiters are already starting to self destruct.

[Consumer dude]

I see the Brexiters are already starting to self destruct.

 

Says who ?..

[WarrenBuffet]

Have you not seen the news CD? UKIP are tearing themselves apart!

[Consumer dude]

Have you not seen the news CD? UKIP are tearing themselves apart!

 

Propaganda..

[Guest]

..UKIP are tearing themselves apart!

and boris.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-secret-telegraph-column-brexit-pro-european-union-pound-sterling-crash-ftse-stock-a7365691.html

[unclebulgaria67]

Propaganda..

 

I do wonder sometimes. UKIP the party that has a problem with a leader other than Farage, where their last leader lasted days before giving up. Then two UKIP MEP's get into a scuffle leaving one of them in hospital. There are different members of UKIP who totallly dispise each other and agree on very little.

 

Hardly propaganda.