EU, in or out..

[Consumer dude]

Was there ever a vote in the first place to take us in, well as far as I remember their wasn't and we was conned under this idea of a European community but what we have ended up with is a political one which is not the same is It..

[2ltr16valve]

Out.

[citizenB]

Out

[Consumer dude]

This is looking good..

[Conniff]

out!

[renegadeimp]

Out of eu but stay in europe

[obiter dictum]

The establishment will never allow an exit

 

With 50% of the country not even bothering to vote in the General election i cannot see any objective vote being possible unless it is made compulsory

 

I am 100% with the in vote

 

Isolationism is not the answer

Edited October 13, 2015 by obiter dictum

[Conniff]

It's a great shame that all those countries who are not part of the eu are isolated, I kinda feel sorry for Australia and NZ

[obiter dictum]

They are not isolated, they have their own trade agreement and member states the same as the EU

 

It is called the Trans Pacific Partnership and they are members with China running the show, the same as Germany with the EU

 

Australia and NZ are part of that trading partnership

[SabreSheep]

In or Out?

 

Im a floating voter here. I still need to be convinced either way

[Consumer dude]

We can be part of Europe but not to be controlled by an unelected elite. We can still trade with who ever we like, but the money we are currently throwing away, well this could be best spent on our own infrastructure. We also need to control our own borders but under the current situation of free movement amongst member states, this doesn't appear to be an option..

[Conniff]

The establishment will never allow an exit

 

With 50% of the country not even bothering to vote in the General election i cannot see any objective vote being possible unless it is made compulsory

 

I am 100% with the in vote

 

Isolationism is not the answer

 

They are not isolated, they have their own trade agreement and member states the same as the EU

 

It is called the Trans Pacific Partnership and they are members with China running the show, the same as Germany with the EU

 

Australia and NZ are part of that trading partnership

 

So why suggest that the UK will be isolated if we leave. We can negotiate trade deals the same as we used to with the whole world. Germany isn't going to stop selling cars to the UK if we leave.

 

The UK cannot sign a commercial trade accord with China or with any other country. We surrendered that power on 1 January 1973, the day we joined the EEC.

Lets get those powers back again so we can trade with who we want and not with who the EU says we can.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Conniff

[BarnOwl1]

OUT!!

The money wasted on membership can be used to support the NHS, reinforce the military and put us back in charge of our country.

News today shows Germany taking a non EU stance on the immigration currently happening turn them round and send them from where they came.

No more talk about the UK being isolated it would not happen as Connif said trade wont stop.

[obiter dictum]

That is exactly why the population of the UK cannot be trusted with a referendum.

A percentage of society have been twisted by the right wing press to the Katie Hopkins school of ethics that plays no part in any civilised society

 

Even the Bookies are in agreement with staying a member as the majority of the population do not agree with this negative propaganda. They have already had enough and sick of this rabid dog style of party politics with the last General elecion. That is why half the population did not even bother to vote.

 

A lot of people look at opinion polls and make predictions. But there is another way: ask people who are prepared to put their money where their mouth is.

 

PaddyPower's latest odds for the EU referendum are:

 

• 1/4 In favour of staying in EU

• 5/2 In favour of exiting the EU

 

And what is going on in Germany has nothing to do with any non EU stance on migrants as you have stated

 

It is a demonstraton against TTIP

 

Do you not just love spin and false propaganda, the thing is it is quite easy now to check the true facts from BS for the more SCEPTICAL members of society

Edited May 21, 2016 by BankFodder
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[SabreSheep]

TTIP is a BIG concern

[unclebulgaria67]

IN. We would be mad to leave. I don't want to live in an independent island nation and want to be an EU citizen. If the UK votes to leave, i will move to an EU country for residency. Many of the rights that consumers and workers enjoy have come from the EU, which is behind why some want to leave.

 

Remember that there are over 2 million Brits living in mainland Europe at the moment, who can live there, using local healthcare as EU citizens. If the UK left the EU, many would face having to return to the UK, unless the UK agreed to continue funding healthcare for these. They may be elderly people who could not afford private healthcare insurance or to pay for own treatments. If many elderly returned back to the UK, it would add to the current demand on resources.

[unclebulgaria67]

TTIP is a BIG concern

 

 

Why ? It is US and EU doing mutual trade deals, presumably to counter the growing economic threat of China.

 

I agree with Obama, that the UK would be silly to leave the EU. If the UK left the EU, it would make it more difficult on many fronts. EU has rules that apply across all countries and it makes it easier for business.

[obiter dictum]

As i already have stated this Trans Pacific Trading Partership is a major concern now Australia and NZ are members

 

The argument is if we come out of the EU we are free to trade with anyone we like is false and simply not true.

 

We are no longer living in the 1950s/1960s.

 

It will be either the EU or the Trans Pacific Trading Partnership on their terms of membership.

 

That is why the yanks are desperate to get into the EU with TTIP having rejected the Trans Pacific Partnership that China has direct control over

 

Globalisation has seen to that

Edited October 14, 2015 by obiter dictum

[SabreSheep]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

[unclebulgaria67]

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As i already have stated this Trans Pacific Trading Partership is a major concern now Australia and NZ are members

 

The argument is if we come out of the EU we are free to trade with anyone we like is false and simply not true.

It will be either the EU or the Trans Pacific Trading Partnership on their terms of membership.

 

That is why the yanks are desperate to get into the EU with TTIP having rejected the Trans Pacific Partnership that China has direct control over

 

Globalisation has seen to that

 

People should think what it will be like in 20,30,40 years time. The Earths resources with a growing population will reduce rapidly. Do you want to be an insignificant island or part of something bigger ? In the years ahead it will be countries with land mass, resources and agreed deals that will do better. A small island off the North Atlantic on its own will start to lose any influence it once had.

[obiter dictum]

Instead of Great Britain it will be "Grand Fenwick" on the political and economic world stage if we exit the EU

Edited October 14, 2015 by obiter dictum

[honeybee13]

As i already have stated this Trans Pacific Trading Partership is a major concern now Australia and NZ are members

 

The argument is if we come out of the EU we are free to trade with anyone we like is false and simply not true.

 

We are no longer living in the 1950s/1960s.

 

It will be either the EU or the Trans Pacific Trading Partnership on their terms of membership.

 

That is why the yanks are desperate to get into the EU with TTIP having rejected the Trans Pacific Partnership that China has direct control over

 

Globalisation has seen to that

 

You can't blame Oz and NZ. As I understand it, we dropped them once we were in Europe.

 

HB

[obiter dictum]

But what is the main export of Australia and NZ?

 

Mining and Agriculture

 

They export to Japan, China, South Korea, India and the US

 

They no longer even sell us their Lamb

Edited October 14, 2015 by obiter dictum

[unclebulgaria67]

Main export is mining and they suffer when China cuts orders. Aussie dollar is too high meaning too expensive for tourists. Number of flights has been reduced over recent years. Go back 10 years, flight were about £600 return, with a decent hotel about £50 a night. Now flights are £1000 and a decent hotel about £120 a night.

 

What is happening is that Auusie Banks and investment companies are increasingly investing outside Australia. The money made from mining is being invested for a better return from abroad.

 

NZ still sell a lot of lamb products abroad, as a population of 5 million can't eat the 50 million lambs that are born each spring.

 

Both Aus and NZ trade more with Asia as that makes more sense. UK joining EU just reinforced the point that they needed to look to local markets.

[caledfwlch]

The Architects of the Empire's demise missed a boat there. Certain places like India where always going to go, but I bet, had the Government of the Day and Liz 2 put together the idea of a genuine, equal, democratic "Imperial Commonwealth", some sort of Federal system of regional/local autonomy with a Grand Imperial Senate as the Federal Body, elected from all the constituent nations, political hands would have been chewed off, and Imperial Declaration Signing Pens would have sold out. It is a remarkable fact of the British Commonwealth as it is in reality, that at least 2 of its members were never even PART of the British Empire!

 

I think the hardest sell would have been to the British people of the time, equality would have absolutely have needed to be at the heart of it, thus, Great Britain itself would not have been the "Overlord" but simply another Dominion amongst the other dominions. It would have likely ended the "American Empire" and indeed the "American Century" very quickly.

 

I did start writing a fun "alternate history" story based around the idea. the Rhodesian Rebellion/Succession by Ian Smith and his **** still happens, but ends a week or so later, after a landing by Imperial Kenyan and Kiwi Paratroops,