Caught using someone else's Freedom pass, convicted - leave to appeal granted

[BazzaS]

I'm not too sure if I should give out them details what website I can find myself on the listings if you tell me how.

 

I don't know what costs the letter doesn't say.

 

Just help from my barrister friend over the phone nothing formal. Hopefully he can also act for me but we will be sorting that out Wednesday probably.

 

You've signed up to the risk of costs but have no idea how large those costs may be?

 

If you are so rich that you don't care how large the costs are why have you not got a top flight legal firm doing all this for you.

 

2 1/2 weeks from a Crown Court appeal and you don't know if you'll be represented or what magnitude of costs you face :

Naive in the extreme or fantasy, surely?

 

You haven't been "economical with the truth" AGAIN, have you?

Edited August 20, 2012 by BazzaS

[honeybee13]

Hi guys.

 

The site team are aware of issues being raised here. Billy, please wait to post up personal info or court details until you have further advice from the team. It shouldn't be too long.

 

HB

[iambilly]

You've signed up to the risk of costs but have no idea how large those costs may be?

 

If you are so rich that you don't care how large the costs are why have you not got a top flight legal firm doing all this for you.

 

2 1/2 weeks from a Crown Court appeal and you don't know if you'll be represented or what magnitude of costs you face :

Naive in the extreme or fantasy, surely?

 

You haven't been "economical with the truth" AGAIN, have you?

 

I will find out how much the cost could be when I meet the barrister guy.

 

I want to see if he can do it for me. He is very good and I don't see why I should have to pay a load of money for a relatively simple and minor case.

 

I have never done this before I should know everything within a few days.

 

I know it may sound like a joke, but it is very serious for me and will be affecting the rest of my life.

[honeybee13]

I will find out how much the cost could be when I meet the barrister guy.

 

I want to see if he can do it for me. He is very good and I don't see why I should have to pay a load of money for a relatively simple and minor case.

 

I have never done this before I should know everything within a few days.

 

I know it may sound like a joke, but it is very serious for me and will be affecting the rest of my life.

 

But if you haven't done this before, how do you know it's relatively simple and minor?

 

And you'd rather wait for the advice of the barrister who gave you advice you now don't feel was appropriate, than the guys here who seem to be trying to help you understand the position you currently find yourself in?

 

HB

[iambilly]

But if you haven't done this before, how do you know it's relatively simple and minor?

 

And you'd rather wait for the advice of the barrister who gave you advice you now don't feel was appropriate, than the guys here who seem to be trying to help you understand the position you currently find yourself in?

 

HB

 

I was told crown court is more serious and deals with murders ect

 

I mean I do not want to pay out for someone that even when most people could represent me fine as it is a simple case that should last over 1 hour.

 

Don't get me wrong I like hearing most of the advice on here. I'm not saying I am only going to listen to the barrister.

 

He is a close friend and he has helped represent many people with great results.

[MARTIN3030]

Everyone should exercise caution and care in protecting themselves from unwanted attentions.

Some will be aware of the Court buddy offering.

Its a matter for iambilly to decide on what info he wants to be making available and who to.

If he is happy to share things with the site team,we would be happy to look at anything and respond,but any determination of course ultimately rests with him.

[iambilly]

Everyone should exercise caution and care in protecting themselves from unwanted attentions.

Some will be aware of the Court buddy offering.

Its a matter for iambilly to decide on what info he wants to be making available and who to.

If he is happy to share things with the site team,we would be happy to look at anything and respond,but any determination of course ultimately rests with him.

 

Thanks

 

What it the court buddy offering?

 

If anyone wants to watch the case (in kingston) then I am happy with that

 

But this is very serious for me and I don't think I have managed to get that across clear enough

[BazzaS]

Thanks

 

What it the court buddy offering?

 

If anyone wants to watch the case (in kingston) then I am happy with that

 

But this is very serious for me and I don't think I have managed to get that across clear enough

 

You say it is serious, but (my opinion, as a lay person) from your posts you don't seem to act like you are taking it seriously.

 

2 1/2 weeks before your case and you are unaware of the scale of costs you might face, have no solicitor, have filed the written notice of appeal without having had it reviewed by a legal advisor, and are unsure if you'll have any representation (what if your barrister friend can't represent you?)

 

Is your barrister friend listed in the "public access directory" of the Bar Council?

If not do you have a license to instruct him under the "Licensed Access" scheme, or how does he plan to become instructed to act for you?

Can he act for you under "public access" if he usually doesn't take public access work?

 

The legal system isn't a game, but it does have rules.

If you are taking this seriously, do you feel you need to establish the rules you should be following, to avoid falling foul of them, or further "mistakes" ?

[iambilly]

You say it is serious, but (my opinion, as a lay person) from your posts you don't seem to act like you are taking it seriously.

 

2 1/2 weeks before your case and you are unaware of the scale of costs you might face, have no solicitor, have filed the written notice of appeal without having had it reviewed by a legal advisor, and are unsure if you'll have any representation (what if your barrister friend can't represent you?)

 

Is your barrister friend listed in the "public access directory" of the Bar Council?

If not do you have a license to instruct him under the "Licensed Access" scheme, or how does he plan to become instructed to act for you?

Can he act for you under "public access" if he usually doesn't take public access work?

 

The legal system isn't a game, but it does have rules.

If you are taking this seriously, do you feel you need to establish the rules you should be following, to avoid falling foul of them, or further "mistakes" ?

 

I am taking it very seriously I know my posts don't seem all that serious but they are.

 

If he can't represent me I will have to find someone else, and if not I feel I can represent myself perfectly well. I don't expect the trial to last over 30 minutes I only have a few points to explain.

 

Good points he is in the public access thing, I am not sure about the licence thing?

 

I will be talking to him on Wednesday to find out.

[sailor sam]

Yeah I have a fair amount of money but I was trying just to save a little by using a freedom pass (I am a student you know). I know it was stupid and I do not need anyone to tell me that because I feel so bad already, like I have said before I can't sleep well any more and have lost a lot of weight. I just came on here hoping to here other people's stories and advice and most people have been great.

 

Just to remind others how your story has changed to it now being a 'mistake' that you used the pass from trying to save money.

 

Trust me, when you go to court, you will wish you never appealed if you want to try to save money!

[BazzaS]

I am taking it very seriously I know my posts don't seem all that serious but they are.

 

If he can't represent me I will have to find someone else, and if not I feel I can represent myself perfectly well. I don't expect the trial to last over 30 minutes I only have a few points to explain.

 

Good points he is in the public access thing, I am not sure about the licence thing?

 

I will be talking to him on Wednesday to find out.

 

If he is "in the Public access thing" as you've decided to call it, you can instruct him direct without you needing to be licensed.

That's why I phrased it as {Is your barrister friend listed in the "public access directory" of the Bar Council? If not do you have a license to instruct him}

 

You can't even parse that simple set of sequential questions, yet : You feel you can represent yourself perfectly well?. Good luck!

Edited August 20, 2012 by BazzaS

[iambilly]

If he is "in the Public access thing" as you've decided to call it, you can instruct him direct without you needing to be licensed.

That's why I phrased it as "Is your barrister friend listed in the "public access directory" of the Bar Council? If not do you have a license to instruct him"

 

You can't even parse that simple set of sequential questions, yet : You feel you can represent yourself perfectly well?. Good luck!

 

You know what I mean, I don't know all this law stuff.

 

How would I get a license? is that possible?

[BazzaS]

You know what I mean, I don't know all this law stuff.

 

How would I get a license? is that possible?

 

You don't need a license if he is able to take direct access work

 

This is a self help site, but I'm wondering if you can get enough help for self-help to work here given your postings and that you weren't able to understand the above from my previous reply.

 

So, my final piece of advice : get a solicitor - what you pay for a solicitor might save you a deal (for example : what if they advise you that you have no realistic prospect of success at appeal and face a mountain of costs?)

[iambilly]

You don't need a license if he is able to take direct access work

 

This is a self help site, but I'm wondering if you can get enough help for self-help to work here given your postings and that you weren't able to understand the above from my previous reply.

 

So, my final piece of advice : get a solicitor - what you pay for a solicitor might save you a deal (for example : what if they advise you that you have no realistic prospect of success at appeal and face a mountain of costs?)

 

He wasn't in that bar council thing.

 

I understand I searched for him but couldn't find him on there.

 

I am appealing no matter what, I will post how it goes with the barrister for those interested.

[sailor sam]

He wasn't in that bar council thing.

 

I understand I searched for him but couldn't find him on there.

 

I am appealing no matter what, I will post how it goes with the barrister for those interested.

 

Then your an idiot! You admit using the pass to 'save money' (see post #310 above) so not a mistake which means you were guilty.

[BazzaS]

He wasn't in that bar council thing.

 

I understand I searched for him but couldn't find him on there.[\QUOTE]

 

 

 

Good points he is in the public access thing, I am not sure about the licence thing?

 

 

So, which is it? Does he take public access or not?

 

(No more advice from me, BTW, only questions .....)

 

As for "I am appealing no matter what" : who is paying and how much if you lose?

[iambilly]

He wasn't in that bar council thing.

 

I understand I searched for him but couldn't find him on there.[\QUOTE]

 

 

 

 

So, which is it? Does he take public access or not?

 

(No more advice from me, BTW, only questions .....)

 

As for "I am appealing no matter what" : who is paying and how much if you lose?

 

He is not the the bar council thing so can I get a licence?

 

I am paying for it, the way I see it, is it worth trying to save a few £££ and have a criminal record follow me round my whole life causing me to lose much more money.

[iambilly]

Then your an idiot! You admit using the pass to 'save money' (see post #310 above) so not a mistake which means you were guilty.

 

I wasn't telling the truth when I said I used it on purpose, I just thought saying that was the best chance at avoiding a criminal record

[sailor sam]

 

He is not the the bar council thing so can I get a licence?

 

I am paying for it, the way I see it, is it worth trying to save a few £££ and have a criminal record follow me round my whole life causing me to lose much more money.

 

:lol: I've just spat my coffee out all over the key board! Thats what got you into this mess in the first place, trying to save paying the fare by using someone else's freedom pass. You admit it in the post above FFS! What planet are you on???

[sailor sam]

I wasn't telling the truth when I said I used it on purpose, I just thought saying that was the best chance at avoiding a criminal record

 

AT LAST!! The first truthful thing you've said in the whole ridiculous thread. You ain't telling the truth full stop and you will get ripped apart in an appeal!!

[honeybee13]

So which story did you tell the last court please, when you pleaded guilty?

 

HB

[iambilly]

 

:lol: I've just spat my coffee out all over the key board! Thats what got you into this mess in the first place, trying to save paying the fare by using someone else's freedom pass. You admit it in the post above FFS! What planet are you on???

 

Yeha but I said that wasn't true

 

I would rather lose money and try to get my criminal record taken off then not try at all

[iambilly]

So which story did you tell the last court please, when you pleaded guilty?

 

HB

 

I just said i was guilty and apologize to them and the TFL man prosecuting me (which no one else did)

 

I also gave them a letter my barrister mate put together explain how 'nice' I am which they read.

 

My remorse and good charecture managed to reduce my fine by £20 which I didn't care about

[sailor sam]

In my 3 years on CAG, I don't honestly think I have come across such a ludicrous 'argument' as this one! seriously OP, my 8 year old son could successfully prosecute you going on what you have put in this thread. If you still are able to afford the internet after paying out the court costs of your appeal, please do tell us how it goes!

[BazzaS]

 

Yeha but I said that wasn't true

 

I would rather lose money and try to get my criminal record taken off then not try at all

 

But you won't pay for a solicitor to guide you, and might be going to the appeal unrepresented.

 

You are fibbing again, trolling, or delusional.

When fibbing it is wise to remember what fibs you've already told.

 

Should we await the "Vicky Pollard defence" (Guilty but not guilty, but guilty but not guilty but guilty but not guilty .... But anyway it was my sister's friend's Gran's pass, but Charlene had bought a monthly Travelcard so she could go give Davey a knee-trembler behind the bike sheds but everyone knows what a slag she is!)

 

I thought you didn't like Chav-like behaviour, and that you feel being rude to the court, or dismissive of the seriousness of the court, is the prerogative of the wealthy?

You may be a bit less wealthy at the end of this process.

 

Have you told your family, BTW? Is there anyone who might need to know? (For example, if you are a UK National who used to use the Visa Waiver Program to visit the USA .... They might wonder why you now can't use it and have to apply for a visa)