Euro Car Parks Incorrect spelling of car

[richard-]

Hi,

 

I have been reading through your topics on ecp as today I got my first ticket with them. I would like to know what can I write to appeal against, i've read that ecp will drop the case after ignoring the letters but if possible I wouldn't mind writing first.

 

I was parked in sainsburys at 14.10, where I left the vehicle for approx 90mins returning at 15.42 where the ticket was just put on the car. The car park is motored by someone walking around, there are no tickets or barriers, it is free to park for 90 mins MAX. The time states I entered the car park at 14.00 which clearly I don't think I do as I was at the ferry port at 13.50 waiting for someone.

 

On the ticket it states the car colour correctly as red and the make of vehicle ALD instead of Audi. It does not list the model of car.

 

Any idea on what I write about

[Barnsley Boy]

You have not committed any offence and you’ve been "charged" by a private company whose notices have no status unless a case is brought at the expense of the company in a civil court. I would not recommend getting involved in any so-called "appeals procedure". The PPCs simply view this as an evidence gathering process, it is usually a sham, lacking any semblance of independence or objectivity.

 

The "charge" is alleged under contract law. Despite what they may call it, what you have is an "invoice" (a decidedly dodgy one at that) from a private parking company who allege you have breached their terms and conditions. The notice is not backed up by statute, unlike those issued by councils and police. Given the unofficial nature of the ticket, any discrepencies re: make, model, colour etc written on the ticket are not particularly relevant.

The “notice” is virtually unenforceable and the truth is that the Parking Company will probably not even try to enforce it by legal action. Instead they will use debt collectors who will threaten references to credit agencies, personal visits by bailiffs and clamping of cars / removal of property. These threats have no foundation. The reality is they would need to bring civil litigation in the county court against the driver and prove a breach of prominently displayed terms and conditions. They will go to the DVLA to identify the registered keeper of the vehicle but you have no responsibility to tell them who was driving (even if it was you) and enforcement can only take place against the driver. These cases are largely dealt with by threats and bluster rather than any real action on the basis that most people pay up for a quiet life.

 

I would not recommend giving the PPC your address. It will cost them £2.50 to obtain registered keeper address from the DVLA. Let them incur this cost. As long as you stand firm and ignore the drivel that comes through your letter box [File away for reference and / or retribution] there is a very very good chance that the PPC will eventually run out of steam. In the extremely unlikely event of the PPC issuing proceedings, this forum will help in your defence. You would win. STAND FIRM - do not be bullied – any concerns - please feel free to post further.

 

See Bernie's template letters in the "stickies" at the top of the forum.

[Alianmid]

[edited]....

 

If the parking people made a mistake ... point it out .. the OP obv is convinced he is fine and the PPC made a mistake ...

 

Why cause more paperwork/hastle to yourself than 1 simple letter staing the facts asking the PPC to prove otherwise and job done.....

 

I would like to point out to Interesting that I have just done exactly what he says above and ECP has completely ignored what I said and sent me another standard letter asking for payment so I have to got to the trouble of explaining it all again, but this time I am accusing them of making a false claim and if they do not desist I will pursue this.

 

To everyone else I say appealing to their sense of fair play is futile they are just a money gathering machine and have no interest in the truth!

[emsgeorge]

Euro Car PArks employees DONT take any photos of vehicles, they dont have any VEL information spaces on their pads, and they dont take photos of the paperwork attached to vehicles. The attendants are not even issued with photo id badges.

 

Unless the car park you were in has cctv which euro have access to (VERY VERY UNLIKELY), then simply ignore them, as everyone else has said.

 

They had a spate of people who had got hold of a book of tickets in London recently, and started issuing them to all and sundry. It only came to light when someone complained to croydon council about it. God knows how many had paid !!.

[HSBCrusher]

posts moved... as promised

[Barnsley Boy]

We are talking about Euro Car Parks here. If anyone knows a SINGLE case which Euro Car Parks has taken to court then please post up the details.

 

In fact, the chances of being taken to court by a PPC are awfully slim.

 

Figures, released through freedom of information act, reveal that the DVLA "shopped" 1,343,903 Registered Keeper details to private companies last year.

 

At a conservative estimate, 50% of this trade would be to Private Parking Companies - 670,000 cases.

 

If our friend Perky is to be believed, 50% pay straight away [no requirement to get DVLA information], another 30% pay eventually leaving a "hard core" of 20% which are either written off or taken to court.

 

670,000 cases represents the 50% of people who don't pay straight away

 

268,000 cases represents the 20% of people who don't pay at all.

 

We know about maybe 10 cases that have gone to court. Let's say for a moment that the iceberg is huge and we only know about 1 case in 10.

 

CHANCE OF BEING TAKEN TO COURT BY A PPC

 

= 268,000 / 100 = Two Thousand Six Hundred and Eighty To One

 

Seems like pretty good odds to me

[demon_x_slash]

You should get that statistic framed and sent to certain MDs