UKPCL ANPR PCN - overstay - MCDONALDS· WAKEFIELD 2 569, DEWSBURY ROAD WAKEFIELD WF2 9BY

[RyanB96]

Hi @dx100uk can you link me some good examples of threads you recommend reading? 

[dx100uk]

no and i wont be recommending what toilet paper to use nor how too either.

enough nurse maiding already.

 

cag is predominantly self help.

 

dx

[RyanB96]

Hi, 

 

Latest letter is from Bailiffs

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I will clean up tomorrow and merge into other PDF file. 

 

Should I be concerned by this letter? 

 

Something that has concerned me, is that this letter was not sent to my address, but somehow, my previous (parents) address. How have they gotten my parents address? 

 

Thanks, 

Ryan 

27-10-22 DCBLDCA notice of debt recovery.pdf

[dx100uk]

read it Properly

 

its NOT FROM A BAILIFF

 

ignore

 

dx

 

[RyanB96]

Thanks Dx, but how did they get my parents address? 

 

My parents address has no connection to my car. 

[dx100uk]

probably the address still registered for you on your credit file? or your cars V5C?

simply acting as a DCA 

a DCA is not a bailiff

and have Zero Powers on any debt - no matter what its tpye

 

dx

 

[BankFodder]

Open

[RyanB96]

Please advise what I should do here? 

 

Thanks

 

Claimform.pdf

[dx100uk]

please complete this:

 

 

have you received a letter of claim in the last few weeks with a  reply pack and ignored it too?

 

dx

 

[RyanB96]

Which Court have you received the claim from ? CCBC

 

Name of the Claimant : UK Parking Control Limited

 

Claimants Solicitors: DCB Legal 

 

 

Date of issue – 20 Mar 2023

 

Date for AOS -  7th April 2023 

 

Date to submit Defence -  21st April 2023 

 

What is the claim for – 

 

1. The Defendant(D) is indebted to the Claimant (C) for a Parking Charge(s) issued to Vehicle XXXX XXX at McDonalds Wakefield 2 569, Dewsbury Road, Wakefield, WF2 9BY

 

2. The PCN details are 17/04/2022, 

 

3. The PCN(s) was issued on private land owned or managed by C. The vehicle was parked in breach of terms on Cs signs (the Contract), thus incurring the PCN(s) 

 

4. The driver agreed to pay within 28 days but did not. D is liable as the driver or keeper. Despite requests the PCN(s) is outstanding.

 

The contract entitles C to damages.

AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS

1. £170 being the total of the PCN(s) and damages

2. Interest at a rate of 8% per annum pursuant to s.69 of the County Courts Act 1984 from the date hereof at a daily rate of £0,02 until judgement or sooner payment. (£12.24) 

3. Costs and court fees (£35 Court Fee + £50 Legal Representatives Cost) 

Total = £170 + £12.24 + £35 + £50 = £267.24

 

What is the value of the claim? £267.24

 

Amount Claimed = £182.24

court fees = £35

legal rep fees = £50

Total Amount = £267.24

 

PAPLOC - Not that I am aware.

 

They have started sending letters to my parents address instead of mine, this claim form 8-page pack is the first contact I have seen in months.

 

I will check with parents to make sure there wasn't another letter prior

- but I'm sure if there was, they would have given it to me at the same time. 

[dx100uk]

3 hours ago, RyanB96 said:

Claimants Solicitors: (if one is stated)

I don't think one has been stated, but I am not sure - I can't find anything about solicitors in any of the 8 pages.

urm ...its says DCBL legal ON THE 1st page of the claimform...

 

pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform

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register as an individual on the Gov't Gateway Site
Go to HMRC's login page.

Click the GREEN sign in button.
Click “Create sign in details”
Enter your email address where asked.
You will now be emailed a confirmation code. ...

You will now be issued with a User ID for your government gateway account.
 note down your details inc the long gateway number given, you might need it later.
 

then log in to the MCOL Website

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

confirm and exit MCOL.

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?486334-CPR-31.14-Request-to-use-on-receipt-of-a-PPC-(-Private-Land-Parking-Court-Claim

type your name ONLY

no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

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you MUST ensure when you register and when log in to MCOL you use and CHANGE the address they have for you to THE CORRECT ONE.

 

 

[RyanB96]

Hi @dx100uk

 

I have followed most of the steps above now 

 

Where you have put 

"Type your name only, no need to sign anything" - online, the "name" field of MCOL is taken as the "signature" and is a mandatory field - is this okay? I had to put my name to confirm through to exit MCOL. 

 

RE: the letter for solicitors, I presume you mean do not put signature at the bottom of the letter, only my name. 

 

I would like you to be able to read through my letter before I print it out and send it. Where you have put: 

 

PLEASE NOTE - template letters from our library should not be reproduced on the open forums. If you would like to let people know the wording of your letters simply link to the Letter in question.

 

Does this mean do not put my draft on this forum? What do you mean "link to the letter in question" - do you mean to "upload" as attachment to this thread and then link to it by "insert" on this thread? 

 

[dx100uk]

Just send the CPR as is after filling in yours and their details. Type name 

 

On mcol change your address, then do everything they ask  

 

Simple really but you always seem to get confused over everything.

 

I can see this being fun going forward....... 

 

Dx

[RyanB96]

Hi Dx, 

 

It's not that I get confused, I am double checking everything to make sure I do it right. I am not from the legal world, I am from tech, and when I see a forum post (such as the CPR) one that is from 2018, my natural assumption is that it is likely out of date as in the tech world, posts go out of date in days - things may have changed - hence I check everything to make sure I get it right and follow exact instructions - I have never dealt with something like this before. 

 

I have attached draft letter -

I think I have filled out everything correctly (Blue are the details I have entered, the rest is all as is).

I will fill in my personal details and send first class to DCB Legal recorded/tracked tomorrow 

 

Thanks for all of your help so far, it is much appreciated!

 

Letter to DCB Legal - Draft.pdf

[FTMDave]

BTW, do you know why the idiots started writing to your parents' address?

[RyanB96]

59 minutes ago, FTMDave said:

BTW, do you know why the idiots started writing to your parents' address?

I don’t know.. I guess the address is a previous address on credit file, maybe one of my cards is still registered to parents, I will have to check, but I don’t know why they suddenly switched from mine to my parents, since the car is registered at my address not my parents. Maybe because I ignored the first letters they just tried a different address? 

[dx100uk]

linked address on your credit file.

 

2 hours ago, RyanB96 said:

I am from tech, and when I see a forum post (such as the CPR) one that is from 2018,

 

so am i.

 

we would not point you to advice if it was not current and correct.

 

1 hour ago, RyanB96 said:

Maybe because I ignored the first letters they just tried a different address? 

 

On 28/03/2023 at 23:39, dx100uk said:

you MUST ensure when you register and when log in to MCOL you use and CHANGE the address they have for you to THE CORRECT ONE.

have you done this ?

[RyanB96]

Yes address on MCOL is correct to my address now 

 

I am about to post the letter. Just to check

 

In accordance with CPR 31.15© I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

 

Does this mean I will have fees to pay? 

 

Thanks,

Ryan 

 

[Andyorch]

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CPR 31.15© 

 

CPR 31.14

[RyanB96]

Hi Andy, 

 

I have read CPR31.14 and CPR31.15 already, which confirms I will have to undertake 'reasonable costs'. But apologies, my question is more "how much will the fees likely be" or "what is reasonable" ... "reasonable copying costs" means absolutely nothing to me... if we are literally talking the cost of printing the document, which is pennies, then I don't consider it 'reasonable' to charge for that... but I am not in the legal business and for all I know they may consider it "reasonable" to stick a £50 premium on it for the effort to find & print... "reasonable" could literally mean anything? 

 

 

[FTMDave]

If you read other threads, you'll see the fleecers never charge anything.

 

Indeed most of the time they don't reply to CPR requests - which is great, as you can later show them up for refusing to produce important legal documents.

[RyanB96]

Thanks Dave,

 

Let me have a check of other threads again too. 

 

I'll get that letter posted now then! 

[Andyorch]

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Indeed most of the time they don't reply to CPR requests 

 

Nor are they legally required to given that CPR 31 does not apply to small claims track claims,  CPR 27 directs disclosure in the SCT. 

 

CPR 31.14 is only used to bolster our defences and bring to the courts attention the claimants lack of cooperation and the claimants attention of what they will face should they wish to proceed with the claim.

 

Our template 31.14 incorporates CPR 31.15 with regards to potential copy costs but not the right to actually inspect a document.

 

[RyanB96]

Just to update / confirm, the letter is posted and I have the certificate of posting. 

[RyanB96]

Hi, 

 

I have just received a response from DCB Legal BY EMAIL (how have they gotten my email? I have never used or given it!) with 4 attachments - me in my car entering car park in colour, me leaving, and then front and back plate zoomed in images too.