Article 50 Discussion

[honeybee13]

This Twitter thread has a good video clip of Dr Philipa Whitford on fishing. There's a lot that isn't really being mentioned in the media.

 

 

[London1971]

I remember those GATT trade talks always in the news a good few years back.  I used to switch off the news I was so bored with it. That is how many feel about the Brexit trade talks, hence why Johnson knows he can BS about Brexit being done etc. No one is paying attention, because it's boring and people cannot relate it to everyday life

[honeybee13]

Jaguar Land Rover are cutting jobs in Halewood.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/22/jaguar-land-rover-to-cut-up-to-500-jobs-at-halewood-factory

 

The way it's heading with JLR and with Nissan over Brexit, we may not need to worry about the US putting surcharges on UK vehicles if the government decides to tax the internet giants.

[tobyjugg2]

For those who find tweets a wee twit

 

Dr Phillipa Whitford on the real issues re UK fisheries

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1izkOiSIeY

brexit-fishing-comparative-chart-of-export-processes_.pdf

Edited January 23, 2020 by tobyjugg2
Adding interactive link

[honeybee13]

You don't like Twitter, TJ? Thank you for the youtube link.

[honeybee13]

I've made the link in your last post interactive, TJ.

[tobyjugg2]

added a pdf which shows the Brexit UK processes compared to old

[tobyjugg2]

She absolutely nails it

Particularly the Brexiters never ending moans about the EU common fisheries doing this that and the other

- when in reality it isn't the EU, its those specific Brexiter cliques of politicians driving the UK's decisions causing those issues ... for the UKs fisheries

 

like selling off UK quotas/access to none UK fishing fleets and managing the rest for their pals companies profits at the expense of actual UK fisherman

 

Edited January 23, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

What we predicted about being dictated to by the US is happening.

 

' Another US-UK row provided further evidence of a hostile, almost predatory pattern of US behaviour, apparently fuelled by perceptions of British weakness.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/26/the-observer-view-us-bullying-tax-tech-must-be-resisted

[brassnecked]

You don't get a good deal from the USA, look at all the tech we gave them during and after World War II, then they tried to stop us using the tech we invented and provided to them.

[unclebulgaria67]

Perhaps Brexit will prove to be a wake up call, to those who believe that the UK can be a strong independent country, able to make decisions, without too many complex  foreign relationships to think about.

 

The reality will be that the UK economy relies so much on foreign decisions,  that it cannot really be independent, apart from having a deluded spirit.

 

Take the recent issue of BAE wanting to sell to Saudi Arabia.  This relied on German manufacturers to make some of the parts required and the German Government currently have a restriction on selling some items to Saudi Arabia, because of the alleged assassination of a Journalist. 

 

Cannot see any permanent deal with the EU by the end of 2020.  Transition will be extended by 12 months as a minimum. Too many complicated issues to sort out and not just involving the EU. 

[honeybee13]

UB, if we get any sort of deal by the end of 2020 it'll be the most basic one, with loads of sectors still to agree, won't it?

[unclebulgaria67]

I thought the EU had ruled out a very basic deal with  many outstanding aspects to be dealt with later ?

 

I cannot see any deal being agreed by 31/12/20 that is comprehensive enough to satisfy UK and EU, plus all EU Countries. 

[honeybee13]

I think ministers and their advisers are deluding themselves on how complex trade negotiations are. They need to be careful what they wish for.

[barns66]

Good article to read here.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/26/independence-day-will-expose-brexit-as-ruse-to-free-an-imaginary-nation

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[buckthorn]

Definitely no the Guardian  I would sooner believe this than something written by Owen Jones /Polly Toynbee

[barns66]

Yes  and  will believe nothing that the Mail,Express or Sun says.

[honeybee13]

Who are WE GOT A PROBLEM please?

[buckthorn]

for all your gloom and doom you have not got an answer,

that link was from a German reporter on one of their papers

so I would sooner believe him than some of the rubbish you lot keep spewing up. live with it.

[honeybee13]

Here's an alternative video from a German journalist.

 

 

 

[barns66]

1 hour ago, buckthorn said:

for all your gloom and doom you have not got an answer,

 

that link was from a German reporter on one of their papers

 

so I would sooner believe him than some of the rubbish you lot keep spewing up. live with it.

 

What doom and gloom are you talking about,i just linked you to and article in newspaper,What rubbish have i spewed out.You should look around and see the  rubbish those papers you linked to spew out.

[honeybee13]

If Friday's celebrations are meant to start the process of reuniting the country, it isn't working with some politicians.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/25/heseltine-says-brexit-celebrations-rub-remainers-nose-in-it

[brassnecked]

There is still a nasty split, and the Fwee Twaders are making it worse.  EEA/EFTA was sensible way if any, but hard core  Remain won't accept even that as it's Leave.   Our Politicians are useless.

[tobyjugg2]

Johnson is playing a pretty good game while the corbynistas continue to prove they are anything but with their  'more democratic party' where rules are changed when the Corbynistas break them, and they try to ensure that even if they lose, there people are in permanent positions when the hard working troops lose their jobs.

 

Corbyn allies ‘line up top jobs before new Labour leader is elected’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/26/corbyn-allies-line-up-top-jobs-before-new-leader-elected

 

 

Rebecca Long-Bailey broke Labour leadership rules but was cleared by Corbyn allies

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rebecca-long-bailey-labour-leadership-rules-broken-corbyn-election-latest-a9300891.html

 

 

 

 

While Johnson consolidates his wins from Labour

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/26/northern-rail-to-be-renationalised-and-some-beeching-closures-reversed

 

" Blyth Valley, a former Labour stronghold in the north-east that turned Conservative in the election and presaged the collapse of the “red wall”, is likely to be among the first places to benefit from the reopening of passenger services. "

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[tobyjugg2]

56 minutes ago, brassnecked said:

There is still a nasty split, and the Fwee Twaders are making it worse.  EEA/EFTA was sensible way if any, but hard core  Remain won't accept even that as it's Leave.   Our Politicians are useless.

 

and the hard Brexiters wont accept anything but a complete break ... despite their apparent stance on US deal rule taking.

;-/

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by tobyjugg2