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Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister
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Poetic justice JmRoyle #YNWA #BLM #GTTO #LFC's tweet - "Tim Martin: Then (2016) - "Brexit is 'essential for humanity's future'" Now (2023) - "Wetherspoon's is closing and selling of 39 pubs due to cost of rising food and energy costs and a lack of staff" " - Trendsmap WWW.TRENDSMAP.COM Detailed Tweet Analytics for JmRoyle #YNWA #BLM #GTTO #LFC's tweet - #brexit, #brexitbrokebritain, #neverspoons, #brexitreality... Then (2016) - "Brexit is 'essential for humanity's future'" Now (2023) - "Wetherspoon's is closing and selling of 39 pubs due to cost of rising food and energy costs and a lack of staff" -
Mutating Corona Virus
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Nothings changed in that regard since this was posted 3 years ago. -
Mutating Corona Virus
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LOL Like I said - nutjob claiming the whole world (except 23 nuts) is conspiring against them Thought they got a seat in the GOP - ah - only 2 weeks - clearly not a true believer -
Mutating Corona Virus
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and while we wait for @theoldrougeto avoid answering or just post more whackjob claims, re the facebook and twitter trolls, with the twitter ones back in force again since Musk: Remember when Elon Musk posted a poll asking if he should step down as Twitter CEO, and users decisively voted yes, and nothing happened? credit to: Brian Stelter -
Mutating Corona Virus
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You're the one linking right wing conspiracy sites and utterly nonsensical and unsupported/lied about lunatic 'theories. You aren't even actually raising any of the genuine issues with the various vaccines in any meaningful way, - just nutjob stuff like people claiming the dying are actors, or its a chinese/woke/liberal bio weapon that doesn't really cause illness and the pandemic is all fake - all in the same long irrational paragraph, Let alone that everyones Doctors ... except 7 'doctors' of homeopathy who make money selling snake oil from a web site and a few mad with grief and looking for someone to blame - while making money from it others.... - Of course, the real issues aren't addressed as asinine soundbites and rambling waffle - Takes some effort and are mostly rather on the boring side. Happy to discuss them should you approach anything sensibly rather than your dump some crap and run troll/bot approach - which seems common with antu-vax promoters who either know they are spouting crap - or simply dont look at the utter boll*cks they are spinning. BUT: No the million of GPS and doctors across the world aren't clueless, or part of a conspiracy. Neither are the thousands and thousands of researchers and scientists. Yes the right wing nutjob sites you promote are both clueless and/or lying to you So, back to the LATEST question you are trying to avoid So, how many people do you honestly think you/Bridgen/Russian troll bot promotion of anti-vaccine conspiracy crap has actually killed? a rough estimate will do. We'll exclude the knock on MMR issues this anti-vax nutcase whackjobery its causing in children for now. We'll just measure it against the million+ lives saved, and 8 million plus hospitalisations/ICU people have been saved from by the vaccine in England and Wales for starters -
Profiteering, lack of investment and lack of a coherent national plan .. in the real world
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Mutating Corona Virus
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So@theoldrouge * We know that anti-vax republicans have died from covid at a higher rate than have vaccinated democrats * We know beyond reasonable doubt that vaccine refuseniks are dying at 18+ times the rate of the vaccinated * We know that only 51 people have died as a result of vaccination in England and wales (with the highest proportion of O/AZ) * We know that 200,000 plus have died from covid in the UK * We know beyond any reasonable doubt that over a million people have been saved from death in the UK alone by vaccination, and millions more saved from severe illness So, How many people do you honestly think have died because of those like you and Russian troll bots promoting anti-vax sentiment? Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame WWW.NPR.ORG An analysis by NPR shows that since the vaccine rollout, counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump have had more than twice the COVID... Aiding and abetting Russian trolls and bots? Russian trolls fueled anti-vaccination debate in U.S. by spreading misinformation on Twitter, study finds WWW.CBSNEWS.COM Study by George Washington University found trolls ramped up controversy by inflating different viewpoints -
oops Last one should have been https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/production/chinese-green-ammonia-plant-will-be-powered-directly-by-variable-wind-power-without-any-battery-or-hydrogen-storage/2-1-1390811
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Meanwhile, In the real world China Is Bankrolling Green Energy Projects Around the World TIME.COM China boosts geopolitical clout over oil producers as renewable demand soars and who was msot prepared for the recent gas issue 5 Charts show why China is a renewable energy superpower WWW.WEFORUM.ORG These charts show China’s commitment to renewable energy. From solar to wind power, China is leading the bandwagon of investments in clean... The UK years behind China Has Set It Sights on Cornering Another Green Energy Market: Hydrogen WWW.ENERGYCONNECTS.COM Energy Connects is a reliable News platform providing Renewable Energy News, Green Energy News, Wind Power News and the latest Energy... and greener fertiliser China Has Set It Sights on Cornering Another Green Energy Market: Hydrogen WWW.ENERGYCONNECTS.COM Energy Connects is a reliable News platform providing Renewable Energy News, Green Energy News, Wind Power News and the latest Energy...
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Mutating Corona Virus
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Knew that was the plan all along seems to me it was the MAIN if not only reason for the billions spent on dodo and trace a test - and excuse to give away/sell patient data - and it even mostly failed at that as well as making any difference to spread in the pandemic - Failed? well until some investigative journalist find they gave away all the data anyway Someone needs to take a good hard look at what happened to the personal data of everyone who registered with the trace a test app or system -
Deluded. * Dont feed British kids vote * Support Patterson corruption vote - Theres 2 of many for starters which define them all as **** they will find their 'integrity' when the next corrupt ****** manages to oust Sunack and their 'integrity' requires them to shoo in a replacement - thats the extent of their integrity
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Just a stream of self-serving and cheating the public. Seems quite inescapable to me that the current Tory leadership and most of the government of liars, criminals and shysters (there are undoubtedly some relatively honest tory MPs .. somewhere) and they are now stepping up shrinking the waiting NHS lists by charging for appointments
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Mutating Corona Virus
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What some really need to realise now is that we seem to have passed the point where the unvaccinated are a greater threat to the vaccinated, even to some extent the immune compromised vaccinated, although a new variant could quickly reduce that difference .. and its now probably an about turn and the genuine unvaccinated (not the trolls that are actually vaccinated) that are at threat from the new variants and the largely immune from death or severe illness vaccinated - everyone can still be infected and transmit - albeit to a greatly reduced extent if vaccinated - With the unvaccinated now 18-30x more at threat of catching it and spreading it to their pals and dying from it - but it is their choice .... Karma's a bitch Get vaccinated -
There is some need for oil which should be rapidly reducing, and its majority hydrogen gas we need - and within 5 years
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Mutating Corona Virus
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mRNA vaccine for RSV shows promise The US pharmaceutical company Moderna reported that its candidate mRNA vaccine for respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) was 83.7% effective at preventing symptomatic disease in late-stage trials of adults aged 60 and older. RSV is a respiratory illness that can be fatal in young children and older adults, but there are no approved vaccines against the virus. Two other pharmaceutical companies — Pfizer and GSK — have recently also reported positive results for their RSV vaccines in older adults. Reuters | 5 min read Further reading: Nature news story | 6 min read -
Mutating Corona Virus
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Correction as I've found the actual data Looked a bit deeper HB: it seems that someone has trawled through the many individual datasets that the poopulists hide the data in to come up with the figure - which I accept. Hence I accept, as an update of the figures I previously saw: that a TOTAL of 51 people in the whole of England and Wales have died with vaccination being the underlying cause of death - after over hundred million vaccinations (first and second doses) carried out, plus over 40 million booster doses alone in the UK ... as an update to the lower figures I previously saw which were a total from some time ago. and to the anti-vaxxers I'll add: .. and I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that vaccination has actually saved far more lives than that in England and Wales just yesterday. (remember a thousand+ people dying a day at the peak?) and in Addition to the above correction: In comparison, there were 149,027 deaths with Coronavirus as the underlying cause of death (and another 25,000+ where it was mentioned) vs the 51 tragic deaths from vaccines. Which means, Given a very conservative estimate of a 80-90% reduction in death rates (and severe illness ) awarded by vaccination as defined by real studies and science - not the empty opinion of some twee-it - thats well over a million lives saved by vaccination, at an albeit tragic cost of 51 lives and multiples of that saved from hospitalisation and ICU, in England and Wales alone. Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics WWW.ONS.GOV.UK https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations I've grabbed the spreadsheet. u12.9 u07.1 -
Mutating Corona Virus
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Looked a bit deeper HB: it seems that someone has trawled through the many individual datasets that the poopulists hide the data in to come up with the figure - which I accept. Hence I accept, as an update of the figures I previously saw: that a TOTAL of 51 people in the whole of England and Wales have died with vaccination being causally associated - with over hundred million vaccinations (first and second) carried out plus over 40 million booster doses alone in the UK ... as an update to the lower figures I previously saw which were a total from some time ago. and too the anti-vaxxers I'll add: .. and I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that vaccination has actually saved far more lives than that in England and Wales just yesterday. (remember a thousand+ people dying a day at the peak?) -
Mutating Corona Virus
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Interesting that fullfact state 'a few dozen' people have died as a result of vaccination Wonder where those figures came from? Whats the scope - in the world? (thats about what I've seen defined, but wouldn't claim that covers all of them across the world) - not disputing them but the figures on vaccination deaths are hard to come by. The ones i could find are as earlier in the thread - 5/6 + another 5 contributing to other issues. In any case - a couple of handfulls tops and many orders of magnitude less than liars claim - and whole orders of magnitude less than lives saved by vaccination. and 18x greater likelihood of dying without vaccination, let alone severe illness -
Mutating Corona Virus
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More competent than CD/TOR but: "But it showed that there was essentially a failure of border control in terms of Covid surveillance.” "Earlier research done by the team, show that in a poll of 2000 adults, 23% admitted to boarding a plane back to the UK while feeling ill." aka loads of people fiddling the systems Perhaps looking at the 22 million people who flew to the UK at the start of the pandemic, from hotspots, with absolutely no testing or restrictions whatsoever would be a better place to start, along with the trace a test farce later.