Central Ticketing? Anyone heard of them???

[swisstoni]

Hi Guys,

 

Got a parking ticket yesterday from Central Ticketing. The reason for the ticket is that I walked off site, (yeah to get some money from a cash machine in the town centre to spend "on site"). Did a few errands whilst in town aand then returned to the site to go into the shop i'd originally planned to go in (COMET) and saw the ticket. Then I thought Sod It and drove off.

Are they a private company? Do I have to pay this Penalty Charge?

It is a free car-park by the way and judging from the threads i've read on here they can only claim back any costs incurred by my breach of "their" rules, so free=nothing, am I correct in my assumption?

 

Any help Appreciated

 

SwissT

[oh columbia]

in my experience they will probably chase you for this.

 

 

the signs at the car park will say "parking for customers only whilst on site". obviously if you need to get cash out they will take this into account, but this is only usually 10-15 minutes grace. if you have not returned in this time the warden will issue the ticket. if you went into town and did some errands then it sounds like you may have been longer than this.

 

if it's a general free car park you probably would have more of a case but if the signs say "parking for customers only whilst on site" then you really haven't got anything you can argue against, if it's private land and you are contravening the terms for parking there, which are pretty explicit, then you would have to pay.

 

 

it's probably not what you wanted to hear but i am sure you wouldn't want me to lie to you

[demon_x_slash]

Sorry, Columbia, that's absolute rubbish. Swisstoni, please read the sticky at the top of the Parking Forum, and never pay these [problematic] a penny.

[Rob S]

I agree with Demon. They can not give you a penalty for parking in a free car park. All they can claim for is their actual losses or damages, which with it being a free car park is zero.

 

Wait until you receive a letter from them (I'm assuming you are the owner and registered keeper of the vehicle) and then write back to them with the following letter:-

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

I note you have sent an invoice to me in respect of my vehicle allegedly parking at xxxxxxxx car park on xx/xx/2007. Please note I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I am not liable for your invoice. You need to contact the driver of the vehicle on the day in question and give them the invoice.

 

Please do not contact me again unless it is to inform me that you will not be taking the matter any further with me.

 

Yours faithfully

 

etc etc

 

 

You don't have to say who was driving. They will try it on, even to the extent of passing the matter to a collection agency, but their threats are meaningless. They will insist the registered keeper is liable but the RK is only liable for tickets issued by local authorities under the 1991 Road Traffic Act. It doesn't apply to private car parks.

 

The worst they can do is take out a county court summons against you. If they do that (very unlikely they will) they have to prove to the court who was driving and that there was a contract in place between them and the driver. Even if they can prove that they can only claim for their actual losses and as the car park was free their losses are zero.

[swisstoni]

Thanks For Those Replies Guys,

 

Was gonna buy a new £1200 LCD Television from Comet who's retail park it is, so bugger them and i'll now purchase it from Currys who have offered it me at the same price after hearing my tale!!!. HaHa.

 

SwissT

[patdavies]

 

Was gonna buy a new £1200 LCD Television from Comet who's retail park it is, so bugger them and i'll now purchase it from Currys who have offered it me at the same price after hearing my tale!!!. HaHa.

 

SwissT

 

You should write to the manager at Comet and inform him of this lost sale and why - it won't help you but it may get him to have a go at the parking cretins

[Yyates]

Sorry, Columbia, that's absolute rubbish. Swisstoni, please read the sticky at the top of the Parking Forum, and never pay these [problematic] a penny.

 

This is what I was thinking, thanks for posting that

[swisstoni]

This is what I was thinking, thanks for posting that

Me Too!! Think he/she might still be working for one of these companies!!

 

SwissT

[Yyates]

Me Too!! Think he/she might still be working for one of these companies!!

 

SwissT

 

If you reads the past posts it says that she did do:) So was only stating what was trained, whether it be 100% correct or not. Like the banks really telling their staff a bank charge is not an unlawful penalty charge when it can be proven it is

[sniglet]

Can I ask the poster to let us know if they were ever taken to court and what was the result.

 

If people ask for advice and then don't give any feedback as to whether the advice worked, the implication is that it did and they are so happy about it they don't need to re-visit the site.

 

I would love to hear from people about the ultimate result of their action.

 

Maybe I'm not looking at old enough threads but I don't seem to be able to access them.

[swisstoni]

Can I ask the poster to let us know if they were ever taken to court and what was the result..

 

Hi All,

 

Further to the above, I can't post anything if nothing happens!! :)

 

However, today, I have recieved a formal demand before court action. The apparent time of issue of the ticket is completely wrong and I can prove that I was somewhere else at that time, so case closed as far as i'm concerned and will write to them accordingly.

 

SwissT

[demon_x_slash]

Good luck, ST; let us know how you get on and if you need any help I'm sure someone will be able to chip in

[jampot]

Hi All,

 

Further to the above, I can't post anything if nothing happens!! :)

 

However, today, I have recieved a formal demand before court action. The apparent time of issue of the ticket is completely wrong and I can prove that I was somewhere else at that time, so case closed as far as i'm concerned and will write to them accordingly.

 

SwissT

 

I'd save your defence for IF they issue court paperwork and file a claim. Let them waste the £30 first...

[JetSetWilly]

Hi Guys,

 

This is my first post......well everyone has to start somewhere!

 

I too received a ticket from Central Ticketing Ltd. I was parked on a retail park and nipped off to the cash machine (off site) to get some cash - pretty much the same as SwissToni.

 

The ticket i was issues with was dated - both on the outer and inner part as 02/08/04 - exactly 3 years prior to the alleged parking violation. Also on the ticket where it says reason for issue and there are about a dozen tick boxes ( no permit, no parking, none patron etc), nothing has been ticked.

 

What should I do next. Obviously i do not wish to be a happy customer of Central Ticketing and cough up a very reasonable £85 parking 'fee'.

 

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated..

[Guest perky88]

See the thread from interesting ... about Central Ticketing.

 

I also know of them (as a competitior and an old service provider) ...

 

I wouldnt worry ... if the dates are wrong then ignore it .. as for the boxes ticked .. they use a carbon system so it may have failed on your copy which is not that impotant .. but its the date that counts ..

 

They will send it to a local debt collector .. when they turn up tell them they have no rights to contact you without a court order and to send it back to central ticketing for court action ...

 

They have to apply to DVLA for the details on the PCN .. did U own it on this date (3 yrs ago ) .. if not write to DVLA with a copy of the ticket asking why they have released YOUR details although you didnt own it at the time . They will cross check Central Ticketing request and cause them problems ...

 

And if you want to .. write to central ticketing asking them for the copy of the ticket .. and again, your case is complete

 

 

You can on the other hand .. ignore them, send them letters asking them to write to the driver, quote various irrlevant laws .. or you can stick to the facts to which you know you will win on !!! (as stated above)

[patdavies]

I would ignore any advice from Perky.

 

Despite his previous claims of having taken several people to court for private parking tickets, he has yet to provide any evidence of his successes.

 

He has been asked several times to scan and posts at least a couple of the judgements, but has signally failed to do so,

[JetSetWilly]

Hi Pat,

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

What would you recommend I should do?

 

Have had a look through the forum and can't seem to find anything quite like my 'problem'

 

Any thoughts appreciated....

[Zamzara]

You can on the other hand .. ignore them, send them letters asking them to write to the driver, quote various irrlevant laws .. or you can stick to the facts to which you know you will win on !!! (as stated above)

 

This is not a real parking ticket, therefore rules for real parking tickets do not apply. There is legal no requirement for a private parking invoice to contain a correct date or any rule against it having an incorrect date. It is not a legally meaningful document whether it has a correct date or not.

 

If JetSet tries to rely on the date issue alone, I guarantee that they will just correct the error and continue with the lies and bluff. All it will do is give them a false sense of legitimacy. It's better just to call it as it is from the start and tell them to get lost as no money is owed.

[JetSetWilly]

Thanks zam,

 

Do you think I should wait for them to write to me and then reply? or should I write to them first?

 

What is the best way to do it? - should i go down the path of 'prove I was the driver' or 'I didn't own the vehicle then' or maybe quote various laws as to why this charge is unlawful?

 

This is the first ticket i've ever had and want to make sure that these cowboys don't get the upper hand!

 

I will also be writing to Comet & Halfords who employ these 'licensed muggers' to tell them of my thoughts too!

 

Regards

 

wil

[patdavies]

Do not write to them unless and until they write to you to follow it up. then send the following reply:-

 

Dear Sir or Madam,

 

I note you have sent an invoice to me in respect of my vehicle allegedly parking at xxxxxxxx car park on 02/09/2004. Please note I was not the registered keeper of the vehicle at that time and I am not liable for your invoice. Should you wish to pursue this matter then you need to contact the driver of the vehicle on the day in question.

 

Please do not contact me again unless it is to inform me that you will not be taking the matter any further with me.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

etc.

[Guest perky88]

Pat,

 

You keep going on about scanning judgements .. obviously you have never seen one, although surprising as to hear you go on I would expect you to be highly qualified in legal issues.. anyway ..

 

All a judgement contains is the name of the claimant, defendant, case number and the order (to pay xx.xx by xxx date).

 

It gives no more information, so scanning a judgement would give no information (unless you were able to apply to the court for a tape transcript of the hearing, but you would have no grounds for that).

 

The claimant could be claiming for a parking charge, bad workmanship, money owed under a loan agreement or anything else .. the judgement DOES NOT SHOW THIS ... DO YOU UNDERSTAND ....

 

We also have client condifentiality to mainatin, as you are aware a person has 28-days to pay a judgement and then can apply for it to be removed from their records .. I am sure they would not take too kindly to having their details plastered online.

 

AIf I did scan useless judgements and post them online without the consent of the 3rd party, I would potentially be in trouble with the information commissioner as I have a duty to keep condifential information - this would include a persons name. (I am not 100% sure about this .. but I suspect so) .. see, even I dont know every aspect of the law, but there again I dont pretend to ................

[patdavies]

Pat,

 

You keep going on about scanning judgements .. obviously you have never seen one, although surprising as to hear you go on I would expect you to be highly qualified in legal issues.. anyway ..

 

All a judgement contains is the name of the claimant, defendant, case number and the order (to pay xx.xx by xxx date).

 

It gives no more information, so scanning a judgement would give no information (unless you were able to apply to the court for a tape transcript of the hearing, but you would have no grounds for that).

 

The claimant could be claiming for a parking charge, bad workmanship, money owed under a loan agreement or anything else .. the judgement DOES NOT SHOW THIS ... DO YOU UNDERSTAND ....

 

However, your parking company vs any poor sod is unlikely to be anything but parking - particularly if there is more than one

 

 

We also have client condifentiality to mainatin, as you are aware a person has 28-days to pay a judgement and then can apply for it to be removed from their records .. I am sure they would not take too kindly to having their details plastered online.

 

AIf I did scan useless judgements and post them online without the consent of the 3rd party, I would potentially be in trouble with the information commissioner as I have a duty to keep condifential information - this would include a persons name. (I am not 100% sure about this .. but I suspect so) .. see, even I dont know every aspect of the law, but there again I dont pretend to ................

This is just bollox

 

CCJs are public documents - how the hell do you think CRAs get hold of them? As they are public, there is no confidentiality to be maintained.

 

And anyway, they are not your clients - they (if they really exist) are just poor sods who don't understand the law regarding your invoices.

[dw190]

Pat........1

Perky.....0

 

:grin:

[JetSetWilly]

Thanks pat for the letter template,

 

Will sit back and see what happens..........

 

If I do reply to their demand letter with your letter, what do you think they will do? Or more to the point what can they do?

 

Obviously don't want the bailiffs round at 3am scaring the missus!

 

thanks

wil

[Guest perky88]

CCJs are ONLY public documents once they have been entered onto the register (ie. after 28days if unsatisfied)

 

Anyway .. this is getting very tedious and childish. (comments like Pat 1, Perky 0 ... very adult like in a supposed discussion forum !!)

 

I attempted to give a different viewpoint to the ones most people were going on about - from the side of a shop/land owner who wants to keep his parking for his customers and not for any person who just decides they cant be bothered to pay 30p in the NCP.

 

I agreed with the comments about threatning letters being wrong, I agreed with the comments about bad signage and even when a ticket was issued but the date was wrong.. gave correct advice ... but this obviously is not good enough.

 

It is obvious this forum is NOT about correcting mistakes, it is more about trying to wrange out of something (ie a parking charge) that was correctly issued - I have not seen any post by certain memebers who actually say "well you did park in front of the board saying no parking and the charge given is what was stated ..." .. instead its all about screw the landowner and park where you want.

 

Except where it affects them ... eg. In an earlier post I stated the landowner should just go round to Pats driveway (private land) and park a vehicle on there .. this was met with the response "dont you try it .. get the police round etc...." - But private land is private land and if Pat thinks its OK to park anywhere she/he wants then surely anyone can park on Pats private land driveway ... the law on private land is the same !! .. I think double standards here !!

 

I question the ethics of the people giving the advice, but its not for me to put the world right .. the advice given is by people untrained and unskilled in the area they are giving the advice in ...

 

So I will close off now,as Im getting bored - I will not be bothering to respond to ANY comment on this board ...