CDER for PCN's on a car i sold 18mts ago - already paid £426 - now they want more for more PCN's - Help

[bringmeluck]

here are some quick facts about what happened:

• I gave this car (Audi) in part exchange for my current car (BMW) on 23rd November 2022 at 21h38.


• I have Facebook message from the other party at the time of the transaction saying "Sold as seen 23th November 21:38 - swapped bmw for Audi Tt and £350"


• I have a bank transfer as mentioned on the message above at 21:31 with reference as BMW [model + reg]


• I have proof of insurance cancellation (email) at 21:53 on the same day of the transaction


• The other party agreed verbally on making all transfers - I gave him the V5, etc.


• The new Audi owner was fined many times with the car still under my name, starting from 25/11/2022 (only 2 days after the transaction)


• After learning of the fines, I informed the DVLA about the change of ownership


• I received confirmation of transfer from DVLA on 02/02/2023


• Because the fines were issued before I contacted DVLA are still in motion,bailiffs are knocking on my door threatening to take my possession of my goods to pay off the debit


• I already had to pay £426.50 for the same reason, but can't pay any more money


• CDER is changing their version of what I need to do every time I speak to them

• Bailiff is scheduled to come within 48 hours to collect payment (which I don't have)

• This penalty charge is about a parking ticket without displaying valid voucher, etc

What can I do now to stop this urgent one and the rest?

[dx100uk]

ignore them

they cant do anything

there is no right of forced entry on PCN's.

soon go away

you've proof you sold the car.

shame you didn't keep the v5c slip and send it off then but never mind.

you know for next time...

 

you need to go get that money back you paid..who was it too?

dx

 

 

[bringmeluck]

I learned the hard way: I can't ignore them.

These are penalty charges from local authorities, not private parking tickets.

I had a certified enforcement agent from CDER knocking because of a £2.50 Dartford Crossing charge, and I had to pay him on the same day £426. He was rude, unhelpful and intimidating, calling me every hour to come up with payment or he would "have to come back". My wife is petrified.

[dx100uk]

no you did not have to pay him.

you were not the owner of the car

they have zero powers of entry.

you should have and should be contacting the local authorities using the correct forms with proof of selling the car then the tickets will get cancelled.

stop falling for the all powerful bailiff tricks of the trade.

go do a chargeback and get that moneyback you DID NOT OWE!!!  

take control not be controlled by SCAMMERS!!

for a start where is the PCN and the Notice of enforcement for EVERY ticket ?? 

did you get both for each?

 

dx

 

[bringmeluck]

It makes total sense to me that I do not owe the money, but how can I prove if from now? What are the steps to take?
Today I phoned CDER again to follow up on the proof that I have and the attendant told me no matter what I do now I will not stop the enforcement agent from coming again in 2 days.

What is the first step I can take to stop it?

***edit***

Actually, just thinking about it is puzzling to me, because I believe I have reasonable proof that I sold the vehicle, but it feels like the enforcement agents will do anything they can to make you pay - even if it not ethical, moral or even 100% legal.

Edited June 20, 2023 by bringmeluck

[dx100uk]

stop phoning stupid bailiffs..

they couldnt careless. just out to scam you and you've already wasted £426.

lets go frighten the mug again he coughs up nicely think we can break in and in prison him probably...

please answer my questions above.

and have you ever contact each issuing council and TfL in writing to date?

not sure where you are getting your advice from but they want SHOOTING!!

dx

 

[bringmeluck]

you should have and should be contacting the local authorities using the correct forms with proof of selling the car then the tickets will get cancelled.
I contacted the DVLA back in January after learning about the penalties, then received their confirmation by post on the 02/feb that their records were updated.

stop falling for the all powerful bailiff tricks of the trade.
There's nothing I want more right now!

go do a chargeback and get that moneyback you DID NOT OWE!!!
If I do a chargeback will it not make it worse?

take control not be controlled by SCAMMERS!!
YES, PLEASE!

for a start where is the PCN and the Notice of enforcement for EVERY ticket ??
That is a good question my man, I'm sorry to say I have ignored the letters for a while

did you get both for each?
Can't say I did.

and have you ever contact each issuing council and TfL in writing to date?
No, only the DVLA

[dx100uk]

well go open all the letters please!!

we need to confirm you have for each ticket.

did you receive the original PCN from the local council or charge from TfL?

and have you had a notice of enforcement from each? bailiff company (before they ever appeared at your door) stating which/all the PCN's/charges they are chasing you for ?

you MUST have been issued with each of the above for each pcn/charge before anyone can demand money from you. else everything has to be undone and refunded.

phoning the DVLA/anyone else bar TfL/local Authority was pointless.

dx

[bringmeluck]

I will check everything I have and come back

[dx100uk]

best to get your ducks inline.

then it can be properly sorted and you might even get your money back.

in the mean time

please get the mrs to read this thread.

dx

[bringmeluck]

in the mean time

please get the mrs to read this thread.

Oh, you bet she's following... and looking forward for the money back

[dx100uk]

Traffic Penalty Tribunal - Traffic Penalty Tribunal (dartcharge) 

[Homer67]

Never ever open the door to them! Make sure your car is not parked on your drive or near your house. If possible park it on someone else's private land.

 

Do what DX said!

[bringmeluck]

So I combed all the mail re this. For the sake of simplicity I will focus for the moment on the most urgent one, as the enforcement agent is meant to come visit tomorrow morning, which gives me just a few hours to do something to stop him.

Details:
Its a parking ticket for being "parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit where required"
Where it happened: Cambridge Street
On 15/01/2023
At 10:15
What letters have I received: Notice to Owner, Order for Recovery of Unpaid Penalty Charge.

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did you receive the original PCN from the local council or charge from TfL?
Either I did not receive or I misplaced it

phoning the DVLA/anyone else bar TfL/local Authority was pointless.
According to CDER if I can get proof of transfer of ownership from DVLA confirming it happened prior to the penalty dates it can be reversed. Citizens Advice Bureau confirmed that this is a route worth following

[dx100uk]

and ofcourse cder will tell you bullcrap that takes time and does not work. as well as useless CAB.

you need to do the relevant forms listed above and get them off to the council tec ASAP with proof you did not own the vehicle. the fact the v5c was given over without you detaching and filling in the yellow form 9 should not hurt you.

you should have done this today.

dx

 

6 hours ago, Homer67 said:

Never ever open the door to them! Make sure your car is not parked on your drive or near your house. If possible park it on someone else's private land.