Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[tobyjugg2]

So, with his utter failure to present anything other than a brief and quantumly transient and faint glimmer of any sort of leadership (at best) at GOP,

- I am expecting Sunak to try to recover at least a hint of pass-ability (at best) at the G20 where he can have some cheap pops at Russia and Putin and promise a few sidewinders for the very credible NASAMs the yanks have supplied.

Russia is apparently asking the Iranians to supply some ballistic missiles that will not only evade the NASAM launched short-medium range anti drone/plane missiles (like sidewinders), but would potentially step up long range  bombardment of Ukrainian Cities - if supplied.

 

I mean, its not like Putin will be funding Sunak will he? Sunak just isnt incompetent enough.

No doubt Russian funds, net-bots and trolls will be concentrated on getting Johnson and Truss back.

 

 

On a trivial, flippant and lighter note:

 

“There are hundreds of MPs and peers who have managed to – probably for the first time in some peers’ life – download an app to vote for somebody,” he told Times Radio. “So I’m assuming that doesn’t mean great things for Matt.”

- Northern Ireland secretary Chris Heaton-Harris

 

Even Tories hate these 'Torys

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[honeybee13]

That's an interesting prospect, Tories voting for Door Matt to be punished on I'm a Celeb, lol.

 

This item would be comic if it wasn't so serious. Tragic stuff if Angola thinks the UK should be kinder to poor people.

 

Angola urges UK to take new measures on poverty | Global development | The Guardian

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Call over protecting most vulnerable citizens comes before UN review of Britain’s human rights record

 

[tobyjugg2]

Torys pi55ing on more rules and reqs to save themselves (and the DUP)

 

Requirement for elections due to DUP refusing to do the job they were voted in to do and are being paid for 'put of by 6 weeks, and then a further 6 weeks, and then ...

 

Just dont pay the DUP while they refuse to do the job - including clawing back what they've been paid

 

Stormont election deadline set to be extended and MLA pay cut

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Northern Ireland Secretary Chris Heaton-Harris is due to confirm his next steps in addressing the powersharing vacuum at Stormont later on...

 

[honeybee13]

I wondered how long it would be before Kwarteng turned up again. This is only a clip of the interview with Tom Newton-Dunne last night; the rewrite of history has started.

 

He doesn't mention that after the mini-budget he said there was 'more to come', or that he went to a champagne reception with hedge funders who are said to have encouraged him on what to do next and could well have profited from further market movements.

 

The overall impression I got was that he still thinks they were right and most economists, the OBR and the markets were wrong.

 

 

[honeybee13]

Kwarteng refused to apologise for the mess or for people paying more for their mortgages. He said bond yields and interest rates had gone down again but completely ignored that the BoE had to spend gazillions on gilts to stop the market crashing.

 

Prof Tim Bale has a good quote about the interview.

 

Sorry but, honestly, this really is absolute bo**ocks from Kwasi 'more tax cuts to come' Kwarteng. Mate, you needed to warn Liz Truss *before* your mad mini-Budget, not after it!

[tobyjugg2]

aka We should have snuck it in so they didn't realise until it was too late

[honeybee13]

Now Gavin Williamson has gone, I'm sure the press are trying to dig up what they can about Braverman.

 

The Guardian is also writing about Raab at the MoJ. The Mirror says he's been nicknamed The Incinerator because he burns through staff so quickly.

 

MoJ staff offered ‘route out’ amid concerns over Dominic Raab behaviour | Dominic Raab | The Guardian

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Exclusive: Some civil servants may have still been traumatised by his previous stint there, sources say

 

A couple of people have tweeted that it's starting to sound like the problems John Major had after he launched his Back to Basics campaign. So many scandals turned up about ministers and MPs that he ended up looking ridiculous.

 

Back to Basics (campaign) - Wikipedia

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[tobyjugg2]

LOL back to basics

aka Tory basics of rich lord of the manor who everyone, including local police kowtow to

 

as demonstrated with the Tory HQ party (which senior police probably attended) where the chief (was forced to) resigned ovetr his 'errors of judgement - but the met give him a pass

 

Whys ghas Cress - leader of a met where arrests of crims fell, and officers routinely talked about rape and beatings

- whens her damehood and golden parachute being clawed back for 'running a force that now needs disbanding.

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[honeybee13]

The Resolution Foundation has calculated that the Truss/KK mini-budget accounts for half of the fiscal black hole.

 

Revealed: the £30bn cost of Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-budget | Liz Truss | The Guardian

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Analysis shows former PM was responsible for half of the Treasury’s £60bn fiscal hole as chancellor prepares to announce cuts in Thursday’s budget

 

[honeybee13]

Here's Michael Saunders, ex-BoE and now with Oxford Economics. UK economy permanently damaged by Brexit. Liz Truss gets a mention as well.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2022-11-14/uk-economy-permanently-damaged-by-brexit-michael-saunders

 

[honeybee13]

Another one. We're trapped by a conspiracy of silence.

 

Brexit has made Britain poorer, but we’re trapped by a conspiracy of silence - New Statesman

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Jeremy Hunt’s comments show how far we are from a rational debate about the economic consequences of leaving the EU.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Seems around half of the black hole in the UK's finances can be laid directly at the feet of Truss and Kwasi

 

I think we should start by docking their Parliamentary pensions until its paid, along with an attachment on earnings - leave them with national minimum wage - dock the rest.

[tobyjugg2]

On 09/11/2022 at 16:44, tobyjugg2 said:

something that seems far more insidious coming out in the williamson saga

 

If you listen to the channel 4 report with his former deputy

 

It stells of a loan/gift being made to an MP having some financial troubles, with Williamson reported as stating when flashing the cheque 'make sure you know I now own him ..

 

Bad enough of itself, but then the report goes on that it 'happened that funds were 'lent/given to MP's and that the source was either the Party or a doner

.. so doners were funding Tory MP's 'financial problems' with 'williamson considering that it meant 'he owned them'

 

 

Exclusive: Gavin Williamson’s former deputy alleges ‘wholly inappropriate’ threat made to MP in financial trouble – Channel 4 News

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It's exactly a fortnight since Rishi Sunak became prime minister with a promise to put integrity at the heart of his administration.

 

 

 

So another long drawn out ineffectual 'investiwhitewash ..

Sir Gav said he didn't - case closed.

 

Gavin Williamson facing investigation for ‘using cash as leverage with another MP’

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Staffer claims then chief whip said he ‘owned’ a colleague because he granted access to hardship funds

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[tobyjugg2]

 

 

Russian missiles ‘cross into Poland, killing two people’ - follow Russia-Ukraine live

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Latest news and updates on Ukraine counter offensive

 

 

Serious but possibly the result of Ukrainian missile intercepts during the days heavy Russian missile attacks on Ukraine

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[honeybee13]

I keep saying I've never seen anything like this, but here's another one.

 

The Guardian understands that top officials at the Ministry of Justice, Raab’s current department, have now ruled that there should always be a senior civil servant in the room in meetings with him due to the recent allegations.

 

 

Sunak urges officials with concerns about Raab to come forward | Dominic Raab | The Guardian

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PM says he is not aware of any formal complaints about deputy but refuses to say if he has been told of informal bullying claims

 

[tobyjugg2]

Not that I intend to defend Rabb - IMO hes a Piers Morgan

but being blunt and/or brusk and not respecting 'the niceties' in the face of incompetence does not represent bullying IMO.

Doing a doodoo job and expecting 'the niceties' seems more like 'bullying, IMO.

No surprises there from me I think.

 

Not saying that is the case, and from reports I read on Patel and Bravermans and Williamsons antics - I'd say they were bullying and inappropriate

Not actually seen that so far in Rabbs case.

 

Calling people woke for expecting civil and decent 'tones or at least some moderation in tone when they are doing a fine job on the other hand ...

But one persons interpretation of doing a good job may not be anothers.

 

IMO its doing the good job (on all sides) that is paramount, not waffling pleasantries.

Again - No surprises there from me I think.

 

and as we've seen here, waffling some pleasantries oft doesn't get you an answer either .....

:-)

Edited November 15, 2022 by tobyjugg2

[unclebulgaria67]

Bit fed up with these media battles between those on either side of politics who throw around accusations without much evidence.

 

Those subject to bullying should make formal complaints using the correct procedures and people can then comment once outcome is known.

 

Agree being blunt/rude is not bullying, but if this behaviour is repeatedly targeting an individual then it can be bullying. So if for example a minister was constantly shouting out critical judgements about performance of a member of their team, then this could be considered bullying.

[honeybee13]

I can't remember the specifics of what Patel did, but was it worse than building a 'culture of fear' which is what's being said about Raab?

[tobyjugg2]

 

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Agree being blunt/rude is not bullying, but if this behaviour is repeatedly targeting an individual then it can be bullying.

 

or extensive repeated errors/failures/incompetence on the part of the receiver.

We aren't talking about ordinary jobs here, they are highly paid and expected to be highly competent.

 

 

2 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

So if for example a minister was constantly shouting out critical judgements about performance of a member of their team, then this could be considered bullying.

 

I broadly agree - they should be under disciplinary procedures if their performance is that bad ..

Bluntness is one thing - hurling ranting abuse is another although the boundary is rather grey

 

 

1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

I can't remember the specifics of what Patel did, but was it worse than building a 'culture of fear' which is what's being said about Raab?

 

I think thats the real issue HB.

WTFleck is a 'culture of fear'? other than the sort of soundbite we rail at when used by the populists?

 

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Well paid person asked to do something thats part of their job and they dont do it leaving their boss in a difficult potion for the 7th time. They get berated and told to buck up and get it done by close of play today or their jobs on the line.

They are afraid ...

 

alt

 

Arsewipe boss wants secretary to sort out his incompetence and do all his work, and blames secretary for his failings ranting and threatening secretary

- secretary is afraid

 

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

I think you said that part of the problem is that we don't have examples of what went on with Raab, so it's hard to judge.

[tobyjugg2]

In the meantime, and in aid of Brexitish xenophobes apoplexy

 

 

Rishi Sunak green-lights visas for Indians in hope of salvaging trade deal

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Move is rebuff to Suella Braverman, who voiced ‘reservations’ about migrants from subcontinent

 

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[honeybee13]

A very short article in the Grauniad says Raab has asked for an independent enquiry [shame there's no official standards adviser yet] into two formal complaints against him. In the meantime he'll stay in post.

 

That should kick the can down the road for a while.

[tobyjugg2]

In the meantime, on the subject of Buttstain bosses threatening staff ..

Lets hope the cream of the crop already have other positions offered, and take the 3 months pay and skip ..

 

“This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said, according to a number of reports. “Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade.”

"Staff were forced to click “yes” on a link to pledge themselves to the “new Twitter”, with a commitment required by Thursday. If they do not sign that pledge, they will be fired with three months pay, the email reportedly threatened."

 

 

Elon Musk tells staff to commit to ‘hardcore Twitter’ or he will fire them

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Midnight email warns staff of ‘long hours at high intensity’

 

[honeybee13]

I hope they all get new jobs although it isn't a good time to be looking in the IT sector.

 

This is an object lesson in how not to take over a company and how not to run it afterwards. Car crash doesn't really begin to describe it.

[honeybee13]

More on the Raab story. One of the complaints was submitted in the spring.

 

Dominic Raab calls for inquiry into complaints against him | Dominic Raab | The Guardian

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Deputy PM and justice secretary says he has written to Rishi Sunak to request independent investigation