Mutating Corona Virus

[brassnecked]

Welsh cabinet discuss Covid-19 rule changes amid Indian variant fears - what to expect - North Wales Live

WWW.DAILYPOST.CO.UK

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Ministers will meet on Thursday to debate potential changes to the rules

Drakeford might lock Wales down again

[tobyjugg2]

5 hours ago, hightail said:

Seems Portugal is to lose its green list status and other countries are going from amber to red.  All of this done as usual with a notice period to ensure as many travellers as possible are given the chance to come into the country in a short time without enduring enhanced restrictions.  Either somewhere does deserve red status or it doesn't and if it does why don't we announce it and immediately restrict access rather than encourage it?

 

Surely you dont expect competence and good management from Johnson, Patel and handcock, let alone the other muppets

 

Perhaps all those Tory voting hotels hosting locked down brits at extortionate rates probably higher than the cost of the holiday

.. while folks fly in from India etc and do what they like for months

 

Of course if you are rich enough - just stay abroad, or country hop before returning as exampled by Johnson senior

 

[honeybee13]

Some sectors of the scientific community think that the third wave is already here, that HMG have let the India variant in and that it's being spread via schools.

 

Anthony Costello of Indie Sage was on BBC Question Time last night.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/04/no-more-vaccine-surge-in-blackburn-says-nhs-as-infection-rate-grows

 

 

[honeybee13]

I edited your link, TJ. I had seen something about this with Blackburn and it's not right. The vaccine people were happy enough to grab headlines with the event at Twickenham but didn't want to help a Covid blackspot.

[honeybee13]

More on the NHS data grab. openDemocracy have an informative article on what could happen to the data, the lack of communication over this and the court case next week with organisations including the Doctors' Association, National Pensioners Convention, David Davis and others.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs/legal-threat-sharpens-over-uk-government-plans-harvest-patient-data-gps/

 

[tobyjugg2]

22 hours ago, hightail said:

Seems Portugal is to lose its green list status and other countries are going from amber to red.  All of this done as usual with a notice period to ensure as many travellers as possible are given the chance to come into the country in a short time without enduring enhanced restrictions. 

 

Apparently Gove did - after watching the footie, and being in close contact with someone who tested positive

 

ah well one law ...

[honeybee13]

You have to wonder if letting in 15,000[?] international football fans in was the best idea. 

[tobyjugg2]

I'm seeing some very twisted claims

Like the delta covid strain is spreading through unvaccinated people ..

err - school-kids?

 

.. Yet they wont give more vaccines to outbreak areas?

Are the populist rulers really trying to say that nobody else in Blackburn wants to be innoculated?

 

and I'm sick to death of seeing the NHS can't/wont .. when its handcock and PHE (Privatise Health England) - NOT the REAL NHS

 

[tobyjugg2]

The Delta Covid-19 variant has begun spreading in schools and colleges throughout England, it has been revealed, after Public Health England (PHE) published new data demanded by teachers and staff unions.

Edited June 4, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Was that recently, TJ? As of yesterday the data hadn't been published.

[tobyjugg2]

Thats what the article and link in the post claim HB

 

[honeybee13]

[unclebulgaria67]

100,000 positive covid tests in the week up to 29th May, compared to 60,000 the week before.

 

Covid infections rise by two-thirds in UK - ONS

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Increasing numbers of infections are likely to be caused by the so-called Indian, or Delta, variant.

  The way it is going, I cannot see the Goverment going ahead with the further changes from 21st June.

[honeybee13]

I can't see a reason why HMG would think loosening controls in a couple of weeks is a good idea, UB.

[unclebulgaria67]

As I said the other day HB, I suspect Goverment will delay until 5th July and see what the data is like during the next few weeks.

 

And if number of positive tests keeps on increasing, then it would be very risky to increase freedoms and removed H&S requirements.

 

Could the Goverment enable the amount of testing that would be required, if people were  moving around more including going abroad on holiday, sports events etc.

 

My local GP pratice has been turned into a Covid vaccination centre and also has a Covid testing site in the car park.  I think most of the GP appointments are being done by phone or Skype.

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

16 hours ago, tobyjugg2 said:

I'm seeing some very twisted claims

Like the delta covid strain is spreading through unvaccinated people ..

err - school-kids?

 

.. Yet they wont give more vaccines to outbreak areas?

Are the populist rulers really trying to say that nobody else in Blackburn wants to be innoculated?

 

and I'm sick to death of seeing the NHS can't/wont .. when its handcock and PHE (Privatise Health England) - NOT the REAL NHS

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/05/bolton-gps-offer-second-covid-jabs-four-weeks-after-first-to-use-surplus

 

So some places trying to use up excess stock while others crying out for more?

Wonder how many doses have gone out of date .. and where?

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

and went for my second O/AZ jab yesterday at a different and small site

What a contrast from the first

This one disorganised with hour plus queues and people turning up well outside their time slot and just being told to join queue or rebook.

 

An hour and a half after my appointment time (I arrived 10 mins before slot) - Jabbed

Significant soreness in arm where jab was including pain into shoulder within 30 mins - but that could have been the person doing the jab - his mind was clearly elsewhere

 

No other effects and all fine this morning. (apart from minor soreness in jab area)

Edited June 5, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[hightail]

1 hour ago, tobyjugg2 said:

and went for my second O/AZ jab yesterday at a different and small site

What a contrast from the first

This one disorganised with hour plus queues and people turning up well outside their time slot and just being told to join queue or rebook.

That's what it was like at my first one.  Ridiculous queueing  setup requiring people to push past each other, without doubt the most at risk of catching Covid I have been since this all began.  People obviously turning up without booking, sometimes one family member booked and brought others who were allowed through.  Got through all of that to be told I should have brought photo ID even though I had the letter in my hand which never mentioned it.  When I turned to leave they let me continue 'as a favour'. 

[tobyjugg2]

I wasnt asked for any is at either jab

 

but the seems similar 'jab anyone who turns up' attitude with 'marshalls saying 'its not for them to manage the people turning up outside appointment time or without one when challenged and he was a volounteer

I said dont volunteer for a job if you aren't going to do it right you are turning a vaccination into a super spreading event.

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

(id)

[honeybee13]

The government is being accused of covering up data on infections in schools and of telling PHE to remove a page of statistics. They seem to be in denial about how children can catch and spread the virus.

 

This is from a Swiss paper, I haven't seen anything in English yet.

 

https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/gouvernement-britannique-accuse-davoir-cache-informations-variant-delta-chez-enfants

 

And an article by the Guardian's science correspondent on her experience when her children tested positive.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/04/covid-outbreak-at-my-childrens-school-makes-me-fear-were-complacent

 

[tobyjugg2]

Yes, surprising what NONE of the UK news services are(n't) reporting (bad English - but worse reporting)

 

Infections seem to be rising at up to 3% per day - even before the alleged upcoming further easing of restrictions .. 

[tobyjugg2]

If you think about it

Just had half term with a lot of extra mixing - then back next week into schools

[unclebulgaria67]

I don't know enough about the Covid-19 virus and how different it is to flu, but it appears to me that assurances being given by health professionals and policitians, are more about trying to improve public confidence.  There must be conversations taking place about what information should be made public, as the majority of people are not experts and therefore they could not make any assessment to guide them on their behaviours, confidence level etc.

 

I see some data for lateral flow testing (people attending workplace) on a regular basis and of  daily tests of approx. 5000 conducted around the UK, these normally show 1 person positive and quite often no positive tests.  

 

It is quite possible that the UK with a population of 68 million, will always have a reasonably large number of positive cases, even after 75% or more have been vaccinated.   As the Government are not going to close UK borders or require everyone who returns to the UK to enter quarantine, then we will to have to live with some people carrying the virus.  At some point, the Government will have a difficult decision to make, which will be to withdraw the free tests for most people.

 

The Prime Minister is going to be in a very difficult position, as there may not be a majority in Parliament, to back the Governments strategy.   Many Tory backbenchers are not going to be happy, when the planned 21st June changes are postponed by at least 2 weeks. As the number of Covid cases increase in the UK and elsewhere, Government will be faced with having to effectively cancel the holiday plans of millions of people.  This could well lead to many tour operators requiring Government financial assistance. 

 

And in regard to Labour and other parties, I am not sure they have practical policy alternatives.  A Labour shadow minister, suggested everyone entering the UK should be required to quarantine in provided accommodation.  I cannot see how that would be easily arranged and people would not be willing to pay the £1700 per person cost.