The Power Of Nature.Wild Weather.Climate Change.

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It would be helpful if you posted a link, King, rather than stating facts without backing them up.

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Can we just stick to facts and links to mainstream publications please and drop the personal stuff because you don't agree over this?

 

 

HB

[honeybee13]

Well, someone must have researched it or you wouldn't know that climate has been changing for billions of years.

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What's your opinion, buckthorn?

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16 hours ago, buckthorn said:

I think a lot of the fires in Australia were set alight not by the weather

but arsonists.

 

 

 

 

There will always be arsonists, sadly.

 

From what I've read, their PM didn't want to take advice from fire experts on how to tackle fires in this, their summer. He didn't lease firefighting aircraft which are the most effective way of fighting forest fires or make any other plans.

 

The affected regions of Australia has had very little rainfall so once a fire takes off, it has tinder dry countryside to rip through.

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Anti-terrorist forces seem to have mis-branded Extinction Rebellion as terrorists.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/12/ex-prevent-chief-criticises-terror-lists-inclusion-extinction-rebellion-sir-peter-fahy-

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The Guardian had this explainer yesterday. It's very detailed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/13/explainer-what-are-the-underlying-causes-of-australias-shocking-bushfire-season

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More mainstream environmental groups have been added to the terrorist database. I find this scary - populists don't seem to believe in global warming and I think they're trying to close down debate.

 

How can Greenpeace et al be the same as neo-nazis?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/17/greenpeace-included-with-neo-nazis-on-uk-counter-terror-list

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Another Guardian article about why the police don't like environmental and other protestors.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/22/defending-life-earth-extremist-police-extinction-rebellion

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I think it's shocking, TJ.

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And now a German football club finds itself on the Prevent database.

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/st-pauli-prevent-document

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This is interesting, leading bankers argiung for 'greening' the global economy. They include the current governor of the Bank of England and the previous one.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/world-climate-breakdown-pandemic

[honeybee13]

Wow, that sounds like a Greek island.

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Food for thought, TJ.

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That appointment says it all, really.

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Thread reopened.

 

HB

[honeybee13]

Steve Baker of the ERG and CRG has started arguing about the cost of tackling climate change.

 

Bafflingly, the other day he tweeted:

'Keir Starmer's comments about #NetZero remind us that he's part of the policymaking elite who have decided to make us poorer and colder.

 

Politicians need to level with the public about the scale of change needed in our lives so we don't have another political fiasco like Brexit.'

 

Who are the policymaking elite Keir Starmer is supposed to be one of? AFAIK he's never been in a position to make policy, it's the Tories who've been in power for the last 11 years.

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Interesting article here on the arguments for and against the cost of 'net zero' and a mention for Steve Baker and his tweets last week.

 

Meet the new climate sceptics, same as the old climate sceptics

WWW.BUSINESSGREEN.COM

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The gathering campaign against the 'cost of net zero' is defined by straw men arguments, culture war tactics, and a fantastical refusal to engage with...

 

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That's awful, shouldn't happen. They're going backwards on standards.

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I know this is slightly off topic. Aquind, a power company owned by  Ukranian who has donated £1m+ to the Tories, is meeting resistance in Normandy and Portsmouth over its proposed cable under the sea.

 

They want it to run through populated areas and beauty spots.

 

French villagers bid to stop Tory donor Aquind laying cable under Channel | Conservatives | The Guardian

WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM

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Energy firm and director Alexander Temerko have given £1.1m between them to Conservatives

 

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Interesting question about Temerko donating to Frech political parties, TJ.

 

The French press are aware of the UK donations but there's no mention of donations in France. Aquind seemes to be based in the UK so I don't know if it would be allowed.

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I don't know enough about planning type laws in France, sadly. Aquind have an appeal in the system but I can't remember who to offhand. I'm not sure national politicans are involved at the moment, it seems to be more the mayor.

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I forget where I read it but someone has done projections of the UK's emissions if trade with the EU is replaced with longer routes to places like the anglosphere. It's logical.

 

ETA: I'll have a look for the increased emissions figure, it was huge.

[honeybee13]

Found it, here's a link.

 

 

Brexit shift in trade away from EU ‘could double UK carbon emissions from shipping’

WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK

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Findings cast doubt on Boris Johnson commitment to climate action ahead of key summit, Commission claims