Freeman on the Land not so free now

[E Munch]

I apologise if this has already been reported here but I could not see mention of it. I thought it might be of interest.

It is a newspaper article about the failure to get out of paying Council Tax by referring back to the Magna Carta.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/801648/boxer-jailed-magna-carta-avoid-council-tax-oliver-ringmaster-pinnock

[Bailiff Advice]

I apologise if this has already been reported here but I could not see mention of it. I thought it might be of interest.

It is a newspaper article about the failure to get out of paying Council Tax by referring back to the Magna Carta.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/801648/boxer-jailed-magna-carta-avoid-council-tax-oliver-ringmaster-pinnock

 

Good to see you back on the forum Munch !!

 

It's not a story that has been featured on here so well done for spotting it.

 

It's a very recent case and from reports elsewhere, it would seem that 'Lightweight Pinnock' didn't facing spending any longer than one night behind bars. He paid the debt in full on the second day.

 

I wouldn't have thought that Lawful Rebellion would be looking at this case as a victory.

[ploddertom]

I apologise if this has already been reported here but I could not see mention of it. I thought it might be of interest.

It is a newspaper article about the failure to get out of paying Council Tax by referring back to the Magna Carta.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/801648/boxer-jailed-magna-carta-avoid-council-tax-oliver-ringmaster-pinnock

 

He wasn't the only one

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/man-tried-use-ancient-legal-13018642

[Ford]

maybe the 'tache didn't help inside, so was quick to pay...

 

seriously though, relying on the MC when there are laws prevailing...

[E Munch]

Yes hello there. I have to confess I'd been logged out of the forum and could not remember or find my password until the other day! I have looked in from time to time but there is very reduced activity these days which hopefully is a good sign.

[unclebulgaria67]

Yes hello there. I have to confess I'd been logged out of the forum and could not remember or find my password until the other day! I have looked in from time to time but there is very reduced activity these days which hopefully is a good sign.

 

There is plenty of free info online and people can read it, so they can resolve themselves. Those that post with a problem have let things go too far, don't understand advice online or have Enforcement Agents who may not be following best practice.

 

I personally think that the new enforcement law has caused a new set of problems. Increased fees and a rush to enforcement, by creditors and companies who want money urgently. This makes no sense as most who face enforcement action have debt problems.

[colin11]

The story behind this Is a Facebook group called Practical Lawful Dissent

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/practicallawfuldissent/permalink/645608265524548/

 

People that join are encoraged to send an oath of allegiance to one of the barons or, Alternatively declare that you are standing under the invocation of Magna Carta 1215 article 61 (lawful rebellion). You can serve this 'Declaration of lawful standing' on any high ranking public servant, especially those within the judiciary, police or Westminster'.

 

For the New people that join the group, Here is the full explanation to get them on their way

 

NEW MEMBERS PLEASE READ THIS.

Firstly please keep posts ON TOPIC as we do not wish to focus on the problems as much as the solution. Thank you.

Website www.lawfulrebellion.info

Scottish members please also join this group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1694846374121083/

Edited 16-02-2015;

-After the Nice treaty came into effect providing authority to the EU over the most important areas of social control in Britain on the 1st November 2014, the need to ACT to restore the common law and oust the criminals in Westminster et al has greatly increased. Please do not acquiesce to our children's future rights to justice, health and freedom-.

 

OK wise people so you want to bring and end too all this tyrannical behaviour but you think its too hard, too dangerous or to big to do right?

Well its as simple as this: ....

 

 

The sad thing is, As Ollie Pinnock found out, It doesn't work, He is one of the big hitters in the group that encorages people not to pay their council tax and if he can't make it work, Who can

 

He maintained that he wasn't refusing to pay, But was in fact withholding it until they answered his questions on what the money was being spent, But to me if you are withholding, You are putting the money aside ready to pay when you have got the information you have asked for

 

The sad thing is that it is about nothing more than avoiding paying council tax and he was sentenced to 25 days in prison, He didn't pay to get himself out, He couldn't afford it, He had to ask family members to pay it for him, The group has since fund raised to help him out

 

So all this has shown that being in Lawfull Rebellion dosn't work, And yet they carry on advising others to follow the same path

Edited May 15, 2017 by honeybee13
Quote edited down, link to FB page left.

[honeybee13]

Colin, I've edited down your quote as we're not meant to quote entire articles. People who want to read the rest of their imaginings can follow your link.

 

HB

[colin11]

Thank you

[brassnecked]

There is plenty of free info online and people can read it, so they can resolve themselves. Those that post with a problem have let things go too far, don't understand advice online or have Enforcement Agents who may not be following best practice.

 

I personally think that the new enforcement law has caused a new set of problems. Increased fees and a rush to enforcement, by creditors and companies who want money urgently. This makes no sense as most who face enforcement action have debt problems.

Adding large fees to an already unpayable debt is lunacy, but then Enforcement is oh so feudal in concept, as in confiscate the tools of the trade if they are worth more than £1350, so potentially throwing the debtor on the dole and a definite sanction so no money coming in at all, nice one Mr Bailiff (not)

[E Munch]

If the debtor was not required to pay the costs of enforcement action against them, who should do so?

[renegadeimp]

If the debtor was not required to pay the costs of enforcement action against them, who should do so?

 

the point is the costs of enforcement are nowhere close to what is stated. Remember, when the law was rewritten, baliff companies advised on it.

[brassnecked]

If the debtor was not required to pay the costs of enforcement action against them, who should do so?

It's the circle of lunacy Munch, the debtor cannot afford to pay the debt so increasing it with enforcement helps the debtor to pay it precisely how?

 

Especially if it is basically nulla bona as in insufficient goods to seize and sell to even discharge the fees let alone any of the original debt..

[Peterbard]

If the debt goes back nulla bona fees are not due in any case. I think it is pointless trying to say that bailiffs are ineffective in collecting debts.

[brassnecked]

If the debt goes back nulla bona fees are not due in any case. I think it is pointless trying to say that bailiffs are ineffective in collecting debts.

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Aren't they, thought under The 2014 regs the £75 Compliance Fee payable in all cases?

[Peterbard]

No it comes out of proceeds. If it is a high court case the creditor has to pay it