Labour Leadership battle

[unclebulgaria67]

the cag Party

...with conniff as leader?

 

I did chortle at that !

 

It would be further to the right than the Tea Party.

[citizenB]

Labour have lost their sense of purpose. This is why Corbyn is being listened to, as he is a passionate Socialist. I am a Socialist believing in the strength of the many working together. I am in favour of market controls through regulation. I would like to see government investing in infrastructure and not selling so much to private companies who are often foreign.

 

The Tories believe in market competition without too much interference. They don't care about who owns or delivers services. They will sell off the countries assets, not thinking about the consequences 20 or 30 years time.

 

I am not sure that people in 30 years time will be happy if they are paying rent for their homes to some foreign corporation, paying water and gas bills to a foreign corporation, without the UK being able to do much, because it has all been sold off years before. This is the road the Tories are going down. Free market, but at what cost. Even the US would never allow this.

 

I think if you dig deep enough, people are already paying rent to foreigners and it was my understanding that most of our utilities are also owned by non UK coroprations.

[unclebulgaria67]

I think if you dig deep enough, people are already paying rent to foreigners and it was my understanding that most of our utilities are also owned by non UK coroprations.

 

Yes that is partly true, but why continue to allow the country to be sold off. Cameron, Osborne etc have millions in the Bank, so will have a nice living after leaving politics. They are probably not bothered, if the average person is paying higher living costs to overseas based companies, some of whom are not paying full UK taxes.

[SabreSheep]

I may not be a Labour Supporterat the moment but i DO hope Corbin wins it.

 

The opposition need to have a leader who is willing to lead by his principles and BE PASSIONATE about it. I think yes it would lead to a split but Labour need to find themselves again and going back to their roots may be the way to do that.

 

You cannot win the argument if you are not passionate about your own ideals. Bearing in mind how the under 25s have been screwed this is an ideal chance to reconnect with voters.

[tobyjugg2]

I may not be a Labour Supporterat the moment but i DO hope Corbin wins it.

 

The opposition need to have a leader who is willing to lead by his principles and BE PASSIONATE about it.

 

Thats a good point.

So many (myself included) write Corbyn off as they believe the far left CANNOT be elected probably mainly due to believing that benefits costs would spiral out of control and similar, also that there woiuld be so much opposition to those sort of policies (without clear understanding of how it was funded) that there would be a completely tied up and unworkable government (now theres a thought)

 

Maybe, just maybe, Corbyn could re-vitalise the political scene and enough peoples interest and FAITH in it.

[unclebulgaria67]

Perhaps start a new thread on how the EU referendum will affect Cameron and the Tories.

 

When we discuss Labour, we forget that in a years time, Cameron and the Tories may be in a very difficult position. The splits in the Tory party on the EU are going to be under the spotlight. Also Cameron campaigning for a yes vote to stay in the EU, will be attacked by some Tories. It could get quite dirty.

[tobyjugg2]

Perhaps start a new thread on how the EU referendum will affect Cameron and the Tories.

 

When we discuss Labour, we forget that in a years time, Cameron and the Tories may be in a very difficult position. The splits in the Tory party on the EU are going to be under the spotlight. Also Cameron campaigning for a yes vote to stay in the EU, will be attacked by some Tories. It could get quite dirty.

 

Thats why he wants the UK/EU referendum earlier rather than later to get it all behind them ready for a few sweeteners in the pre-election budget to convince the gullible that the Tories should be voted back in just in case Labour do manage to manage to sort themselves out enough to be electable.

He'll have enough on his plate dealing with my brethren looking for another once in a lifetime (once very Parliament until resoundingly rejected by the Scottish people) Scot independence vote.

[citizenB]

Any more help from Tony Bliar and I can see Labour never being elected again !!

[tobyjugg2]

Any more help from Tony Bliar and I can see Labour never being elected again !!

 

A good job Thatcher was Et Tu Brute'd when she was else we'd probably have had Tony Blair in for even longer eh?

[Guest]

.. it was my understanding that most of our utilities are also owned by non UK coroprations.

 

indeed. and more recently, our nuclear power ownership by china being considered.

 

 

corbyn gaining ground?

3£ in, and can vote for corbyn

eg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11766277/The-only-way-Labour-can-win-the-next-election-is-to-elect-Corbyn-now.html

 

conmeron has a say

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11766877/Labour-leadership-contest-David-Cameron-warns-Tories-against-complacency.html

 

ps, am just posting info, non subjective

[tobyjugg2]

indeed. and more recently, our nuclear power ownership by china being considered.

 

 

corbyn gaining ground?

3£ in, and can vote for corbyn

eg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11766277/The-only-way-Labour-can-win-the-next-election-is-to-elect-Corbyn-now.html

 

conmeron has a say

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11766877/Labour-leadership-contest-David-Cameron-warns-Tories-against-complacency.html

 

ps, am just posting info, non subjective

 

 

all points good there Ford, including that £300,000 (100,000 votes) would define the next Labour leader, quite possibly half that could - how cheap is that?

[Conniff]

Corbyn tops Labour constituency vote

 

Oh yes, show them how it's done Corbyn.

[obiter dictum]

Jeremy Corbyn is now the Bookies favourite to win the leadership contests

 

Three off the largest Trade Unions now support him.

 

Unite, Unison, Communication workers Union.

[Conniff]

"Are you with me brothers" - I can hear it now.

[obiter dictum]

Seems some people still live in the 1970s with the smokey rooms and sandwiches mentality

 

Trade Union Reps are now in the majority highly trained individuals through the open college network and the TUC, especially in employment law

 

You are more likely now to meet a Trade Union rep in a suit and carrying a brief case.

[SabreSheep]

Indeed

 

I can also see a Corbyn Victory pulling the "Lefties from extreme Left to center left" back towards the Labour party. Those who left to go Lib dem 2 elections ago and to other parties like green and ukip (Yes some labour voters went there due to immigration and eu concerns) will be watching with interest.

 

The more the Blairites and Media attack Corbyn, the more Popular he is going to become. And if the Tories think by infiltrating and electing him as leader is going to help them, it may well backfire.

[SabreSheep]

Well looks like this is still rolling.

 

 

I have now affiliated through my union to vote.

 

now some observations

 

 

Party % CON 36.9 LAB 30.4 UKIP 12.6 LD 7.9 SNP 4.7 GRN 3.8

Now bearing in mind the % of vote that went to "Progressive left or center left parties and anti austerity parties"

the total vote % comes to 46.8% vs tory 36.9%

 

Ukip were not included in that as they are made up across the board form both parts of that spectrum. Even *IF* Ukips full amount swung to the Tory side they would be ahead by only 3%

 

NOW When Corbyn wins, he will be able to work with SNP, Green, LD, to help push a progressive agenda.

PLUS he will also be able to pull voters from those parties back to Labour. I also see him being able to attract some of the non voters as well. Not to mention the under 25's who have been and are set to be even more screwed by this government.

 

NOW you can see why the likes of the right wing press are out to get him. He is a threat. He is not someone seeking election for power (Like one of the other candidates), he is modest, he has the same principles since he started as an MP and he straight talks. See the question LBC put to the candidates regarding if they would have Milliband in their cabinet.

 

 

http://www.lbc.co.uk/three-refuse-to-answer-if-ed-would-be-in-cabinet-113370

 

Yes this will be interesting indeed

[unclebulgaria67]

I am waiting for a genuine left of centre Labour party that is not a servant of private investment speculators who are just in it to make money and pay as little tax as possible.

 

I was a fan of Tony Blair because he was a capable PM and i agreed with many of his policies at the time. But he got it terribly wrong in terms of regulating the fnancial services sector and making sure that business were operating in the interests of the country i.e not ripping off consumers and paying tax that should be due.

 

Labour should be about creating a fairer country, allowing people to do well whether they work in the public or private sector, looking after the sick and elderly. The Tories do not believe in the public sector and would have no restrictions on outsoucing to private or charity sectors. Of couse no one likes bureaucrats, but you get this whether it is public or private.

 

Jeremy Corbyn may not be quite the person i had in mind to bring socialist ideals back, but i think he may be better at holding the Tories to account, than the other candidates. Hopefully Corbyn is a caretaker leader and another from the left but attractive to the public will take over.

[SabreSheep]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/10/liz-kendall-profile-power-labour-leadership-election

 

"I dont want to Protest, I want to get into power"

 

Well that to me means

 

"Ill say what I need to to get into power. I dont want to challenge the Torys, I dont want to stick up for my principles."

 

This is the problem with politics of this generation.

Another reason why Corbyn is reconnecting

[citizenB]

I would hate to see either Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper in the top seat.

 

Corbyn seems to be appealing to quite a wide audience and as a person seems the most genuine. This could be his downfall.

 

I didn't know very much about Liz Kendall but I get the impression, she is a "she Blair" who will ensure that her rights are protected above anyone else's. I would be very concerned knowing that she has Blair and Mandleson behind her and seriously believe she is being worked from behind the scenes by those 2.

[Guest]

and blair does chip in, saying that if corbyn becomes leader labour risk possible 'annihilation'..

also, labour membership up threefold, ERS asking for checks on new members saying '...it was obvious there were some people who did not genuinely support Labour who had signed up to vote and should not be allowed to take part'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33896414

[Conniff]

I would say they are more at a risk of annihiliation if that thing Mrs Ed Balls was leader, (fancy being so ashamed of your husband that you won't use his name).

 

All those against seem to be saying that the leadership is a dictatorship. One man does not decide the policies or the way the whole party is going, that only happens in Russia.

Even if he wanted to bring back clause 4, he couldn't do it on his own, so stupid comments from those who are making him out to be something he isn't and want their favourite in.

[caro]

I see Jack Straw is the latest to wade in against Corbyn now.

 

Don't they realise new Labour clearly isn't working which is why they lost the election? With real opposition such as a socialist Labour Party the outcome could have been very different, yet they want to carry on with a losing formula.

[estellyn]

I see Jack Straw is the latest to wade in against Corbyn now.

 

Don't they realise new Labour clearly isn't working which is why they lost the election? With real opposition such as a socialist Labour Party the outcome could have been very different, yet they want to carry on with a losing formula.

 

True. Labour was a tory lite party in the election, many of the same or similar policies, and a promise not to rescind tory policies, and no answer to tory accusations about labour.

 

People who believe in tory policies vote tory. People who aren't sure will think 'better the devil we know' (especially with the unanswered tory scaremongering of labour being in power). We need a left wing alternative, a real exchange of ideas between the parties.

[Conniff]

I've never seen so many greedy people run so scared of one man.