UKCPS ongoing parking 'charge' - ** WON AT POPLA **

[jules153]

Hi,

 

I parked in a UKCPS car park in Leeds at the start of September. I paid the money for a day's parking and put the ticket on my dashboard. I parked in an end 'bay' that and all was fine.

 

When I returned to my card I'd received a parking notice 'charge' for parking outside a 'marked bay'. There is a sign at the car park along the lines of "if you park outside a marked bay you enter into a contract to pay us £100 (reduced to £60)". It appears the bay I parked in wasn't classed as a proper marked bay.

 

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I was parked in the same position as the grey car in the photo above.

 

I appealed to the UKCPS stating that:

 

1) The marking of the bays was not clear

2) I'd paid for full day's parking so how could they ask for £100 when they haven't lost any money.

 

I received a letter at the end of Sept stating that the appeal had been rejected, parking outside marked bays was dangerous, and I'd parked agreeing to the written contract on the sign saying if I park outside of a marked bay I had to pay £100.

 

What should I do next?

 

Just for information these are some more photos of the 'marked bays' in the car park in question:

 

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As you can see some 'bays' have 3 white lines surrounding them, some 2 white lines.... for example can you park to the left of set of lines in this photo?? :-

 

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Many thanks for any help.

 

Jules.

[renegadeimp]

Appeal under whatever excuse you want. Theyll reject it (as they have done) and should issue a popla code. Then appeal to popla under the fact you have paid to park and use GPEOL as a main appeal point.

 

White lines/bays on private land have absolutely no legal standing at all.

[JoeyJoeC]

Not sure why it would be dangerous to park there. As long as the handbrake was on!

 

Get a POPLA code, it costs them ~£27 to give this to you. Appeal on the GPEOL. You paid for the full day, they haven't made a loss. Don't worry, technically the markings on the ground don't mean anything.

[jules153]

Hey many thanks for the quick replies

 

I'll follow your advice and write to the POPLA. What do you think my chances are of winning the appeal ?

 

Thanks again.

[JoeyJoeC]

Typically POPLA will uphold the appeal as they didn't make a loss. Most people win at this stage. I have heard that some of the lesser trained at POPLA may reject on this reason.

 

However, you honestly have a really good chance at winning.

[renegadeimp]

Hey many thanks for the quick replies

 

I'll follow your advice and write to the POPLA. What do you think my chances are of winning the appeal ?

 

Thanks again.

 

Using GPEOL at the charge they state? 100%

 

When you get your code, come back here and we can help with your appeal.

[jules153]

Great. So the next step to the write a short letter to UKCPS and ask for a POPLA code?

 

Thanks.

 

p.s. I'm so impressed I've made a small donation to this site

[renegadeimp]

You already appealed and they havent provided a popla code. However, check the letter as they do like to hide the code in the form of a reference number or similar so you dont notice until its too late, and then cant appeal as youre out of time.

 

And thanks for the donation It will be put to good use.

[f16]

There "Should" be a POPLA code within their "rejection" letter.

 

Post up the letter edited of personal details, number plate and "ticket no."

So we can see it.

[jules153]

[ATTACH]53617[/ATTACH]OK here's the letter

 

Thanks

[renegadeimp]

Weird letter. They say they will send you a popla reference if your appeal is rejected when theyve already rejected it.

 

Either theyre inept or theyve hidden the reference number in the letter.

 

Most likely both.

[jules153]

So therefore I need to ask for the POPLA reference ??

 

Thanks

[renegadeimp]

Yep. But as i said. Give your letter a quick check as they have been known to hide the popla code within a reference number or similar.

[jules153]

Yep. But as i said. Give your letter a quick check as they have been known to hide the popla code within a reference number or similar.

 

Ok, what format does the popla code take? E.g. 3 numbers + 5 numbers etc.

 

Thanks

[DragonFly1967]

Ok, what format does the popla code take? E.g. 3 numbers + 5 numbers etc.

 

Thanks

 

10 digits long. I think the UKCPS POPLA codes start with 876

[renegadeimp]

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/popla-code-checker.html?m=1

 

Read that and try all numbers

[f16]

Write back and demand a valid POPLA code . ....

Which should have been sent with their original "rejection".

Send it "proof of postage".

When you get the code come back and appeal will be formed.

[jules153]

Thanks again everyone

 

I've double and triple checked the letter and (apart from UKCPS's own 7 digit 'Issue Number') there is definitely no 10 digit number.

 

I'll therefore write to UKCPS, using registered post, and ask for a POPLA code.

[ericsbrother]

They are hoping that you will either pay up or not appeal a second time so they dont go to POPLA and lose (as they will). Copy your second appeal to the BPA and complain that your first appeal faield to get the necessary POPLA code and that they are abusing the law by failing to provide it the first time round. The BPA will probably only say that UKPCS have now provided POPLA code (after suitable delay to allow them to post it out and not look like they have had a b0**ocking)

[jules153]

Perhaps they were wanting to save the ~£27 that it costs them to get the code?? [see JoeyJoeC's post]

[renegadeimp]

Just to note, some PPC's have a new trick of getting the code, but not giving it to you until 2-3 days before the code is expired. Make sure you check when you recieve it

[jules153]

Just to note, some PPC's have a new trick of getting the code, but not giving it to you until 2-3 days before the code is expired. Make sure you check when you recieve it

 

Thank you !

[jules153]

Update:

Letter requesting valid POPLA code sent registered post 8th Oct

Letter signed for by UKCPS on 9th Oct.

So far I've received nothing....

[renegadeimp]

UKCPS will likely leave it till a couple of days before the expiry date. If they do, then youve got them big time

[jules153]

Update 2:

Letter requesting valid POPLA code sent registered post 8th Oct

Letter signed for by UKCPS on 9th Oct.

Still received nothing as of 27th Oct...