Will Scotland stay or go?

[unclebulgaria67]

I think the Barnett formula does need a bit of an update for sure.

 

If anyone's not up-to-speed with how it all works, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

 

I am not sure anyone would volunteer to do this. Best option would be a special select committee in parliament.

 

There is apparently a German model for portioning money out to the different regions, which some say might be the basis that replaces Barnett. As I understand it, each region is scored in terms of poverty and they receive a top up of money where required. This could equally be applied to Cornwall, as it would be to Scotland.

[rebel11]

Apparently Barnett Formula was only met to last for a short period, but the Thatcher Government just carried on using it.

 

That's straight from Mr. Barnett.

[Conniff]

I think the Barnett formula does need a bit of an update for sure.

 

 

 

Updating my arse, it should be scrapped. Why should the scots get more per head of population than the English and Wales. Salmond was probably right when he said we will use Sterling as Westminster will cave in.

 

 

Why oh why are MP a bunch of bloody nancies.

[raydetinu]

yep we in England would be better off.

I would love to have a vote to be independent! of the EU, wales, defo. NI and as well.)

They have a golden opportunity and they should grab it with both hands. ( what I don't understand is then they want join the EU and give it all up again ).

The number of peoples throughout the world that have fought and died for independence and all they have to do is put a cross on a bit of paper.

[SabreSheep]

I am begining to think a Feudal UK is the way forward

[raydetinu]

I think there will be big shake up, no matter what the outcome!

power to the people!!!!! ;-)

[Horsen]

I was impressed by Gordon Browns speech yesterday. Why couldn't he be like that as P.M. Think the debate has also opened a debate south of the border with issues like The Barnet Formula and the proposed ring fencing of services for Scotland should they stay. Will make for an interesting run up to the general election.

[sequenci]

what I don't understand is then they want join the EU and give it all up again

 

EU membership is one of the few thigs that I agree with Mr Salmond on! It does far, far more good than harm. It's just a massive shame that much of the press gives it such poor rep and thus distorts peoples' perception of what it's all about. Granted, I do think that *some* powers should be repatriated.

[raydetinu]

I would not trust G. Brown as far as I could throw him! ( a complete idiot ).Solely responsible for the crisis; deregulated the banks as CE then surprised as PM when it all went tits up and used our money to bail them out.

Should of let them go bust! and given the money to us. Banks cant loose at that rate.

EU is fine as common market which is what we originally signed up to. Cameron promised a referendum then took it away; and that is more than likely to do again!

gripe over!

Just hope they do take this once in a lifetime opportunity though.

[rebel11]

First exit polls:- 56% No 44% Yes

[raydetinu]

shame;

[sparkeyrjp]

A few thoughts , should the vote be yes

UK passports , as Scotland would be no longer be part UK . I assume all passports north of the border will be null and void ,

As we do not administer vehicle registrations in The Irish Republic , should we the UK be administering Scottish vehicle registrations ,

The same goes for driving licences

Mobile phones , will Scotland be a roaming area separate from UK ?

We have already heard that The National Lottery will not accessed north of the border

The Post Office is a UK operation , so mail sent to Scotland will now be sent “abroad “ at extra cost

In a way I hope they do vote yes , I will give me pleasure to watch them crash and burn in a few years

[f16]

A few thoughts , should the vote be yes

UK passports , as Scotland would be no longer be part UK . I assume all passports north of the border will be null and void ,

As we do not administer vehicle registrations in The Irish Republic , should we the UK be administering Scottish vehicle registrations ,

The same goes for driving licences

Mobile phones , will Scotland be a roaming area separate from UK ?

We have already heard that The National Lottery will not accessed north of the border

The Post Office is a UK operation , so mail sent to Scotland will now be sent “abroad “ at extra cost

In a way I hope they do vote yes , I will give me pleasure to watch them crash and burn in a few years

 

LOL.

That just"scratches" the surface. ...

 

Air traffic control ?

Defence ? The list is endless !!!!

 

The Isle of Wight might do the same soon at this rate.

 

Question:

As the "Scots" refer to themselves as "Scottish".

Are we in England yet allowed to refer to ourselves as English ?

Or is that still regarded as not PC ?

[citizenB]

So it was NO after all.. and they still come out winning. That is if all the promises made are kept.

[rebel11]

A win/win for Scotland. It was never in doubt.

 

So it was NO after all.. and they still come out winning. That is if all the promises made are kept.

[caro]

The turnout shows how important Scottish people and those who have moved there feel about being part of the union.

[Ell-enn]

Yes, the turnout was fantastic and I believe they got the right result for Scotland (and the UK)

[citizenB]

 

Details of the funding arrangement can be found in HM Treasury's Statement of Funding Policy.[3]

 

The persistence of per capita public expenditure lower in England than elsewhere continues to attract calls for the formula to be renegotiated. Using figures for the financial year 2006/2007,[4] if a UK-wide per capita average were a notional 100%, identifiable per capita expenditure on services in England would be 97%, in Scotland 117%, in Wales 111% and in Northern Ireland 127% (this does not take account of non-identifiable expenditure, such as defence and debt interest, which are deemed to be for the benefit of the entire UK, regardless as to where the money is actually spent). In cash, this would work out as (per person):[5]

England £7,121

Scotland £8,623

Wales £8,139

Northern Ireland £9,385

 

 

 

The population of England is 83% of the population of the UK. Instant abolition of the Barnett formula based on the above figures would result on an average UK expenditure of approximately £7,362. This would be a large decrease for each person in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland but an increase of less than 4% per person for England.

 

Although not subject to the Barnett formula, there are significant variations in identifiable spending between the regions of England:[5]

North East £8,177 – 111% of UK average identifiable expenditure

North West £7,798 – 106%

Yorkshire and Humberside £8,188 – 115%

East Midlands £6,491 – 88%

West Midlands £7,065 – 96%

Eastern £6,144 – 83%

London £8,704 – 124%

South East £6,304 – 86%

South West £8,677 – 121%

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

 

IMHO, every person should be treated equally !

[maroondevo52]

Hello fellow UK citizens

[Conniff]

Hello fellow UK citizens

 

Hello indeed.

 

There was a tweet made after the first five results all came in as No that made me smile - 'Salmond seen taking off in a private jet, destination unknown'

[sequenci]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

 

IMHO, every person should be treated equally !

 

I agree - although it must be appreciated that it isn't as easy as saying everyone should get an identical amount of money.

[rebel11]

Things cost more in the South then in the North.

 

I agree - although it must be appreciated that it isn't as easy as saying everyone should get an identical amount of money.

[sequenci]

Things cost more in the South then in the North.

 

Not always, but there are certainly going to be differences in costs which would obviously feed in to the final figure.

[rebel11]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141536/It-IS-cheaper-North-Price-divide-pub-food-film-tickets.html

 

Not always, but there are certainly going to be differences in costs which would obviously feed in to the final figure.

[citizenB]

Hello indeed.

 

There was a tweet made after the first five results all came in as No that made me smile - 'Salmond seen taking off in a private jet, destination unknown'

 

Ironic that his own constituency voted a resounding NO