liability order- alledged fraud

[smokejumper]

Got involved with some very interesting you tube videos.

 

A group calling themselves "freemen" are beating the courts juridiction, very interesting proceedure involving common law and the magna carter ( spelling?))

 

Anyway what came about during the court process, the hearing was initially delayed until 1230 and took 2 hrs, but the liability order had been signed at 10AM so outcome had been decided before hearing even took place.

 

I recently told the council I would contest them in court, over my council tax, they told me I would not be heard and it was just a formality, this further proving the point.

 

these courts are not to look after the people they are cash cows, looks like we are losing or should that be. have lost, the justice system.

 

check out freemen, council tax on you tube.

[Ford]

is that the one re for eg standing up? posted before on cag!?

[smokejumper]

Not sure, first time I have seen it, just looking at you tube...then one video leads to another etc and I found this.

 

Very interesting, they slaughter the magistrates and actually arrest another for treason....unbelivable.

[Ford]

don't know if its the same one, but recall one where they refused to sit down which they claimed negated the courts jurisdiction.

[smokejumper]

yes that's it. only bit more to it, if they had stood up when told it would have returned to the courts jurisdition, they state before they start that they do not recognise the courts jurisdiction, the courts try all sorts of ways to get the jurisdiction, telling them to sit down would return it to them.

 

It is a very clever and has really got my interest.

 

apparently council tax is an act and not a law and under common law you do not have to pay it.

 

Just wonder who empties our bins under common law ;-) Robin Hood perhaps.

[Ford]

recall a crown court matter where j told def sol to sit down ie before proceedings could commence!

[Ganymede]

yes that's it. only bit more to it, if they had stood up when told it would have returned to the courts jurisdition, they state before they start that they do not recognise the courts jurisdiction, the courts try all sorts of ways to get the jurisdiction, telling them to sit down would return it to them.

 

It is a very clever and has really got my interest.

 

apparently council tax is an act and not a law and under common law you do not have to pay it.

 

Just wonder who empties our bins under common law ;-) Robin Hood perhaps.

 

 

 

An Act of Parliamant is primary legislation and therefore IS law.

 

Take these videos with a pinch of salt...

[dx100uk]

Fotl twaddle

[renegadeimp]

Fotl rubbish is fun to read though

[smokejumper]

Sorry only passing on something that took my interest and thought others might like to see it.

 

I guess I should have kept it to myself.

 

 

Fotl twaddle

[Ganymede]

Spreading these FOTL lies can be dangerous.

[smokejumper]

I have apologised.

 

Won't do it again, perhaps the site team should remove it.

 

 

 

 

Spreading these FOTL lies can be dangerous.

[Andyorch]

Thread moved to ?....Ill have to have a think about it

 

 

Andy

 

Addit...how about a merge with this:-

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?414565-Bill-of-Exchange(1-Viewing)-nbsp

[fletch70]

If you look at the "well known" website it seems that there is a change in approach. Hard as i have looked i have yet to find anyone who has really succeeded in getting a fully enforceable debt cancelled or receiving payment from invoices.

This is the same as the UE argument although that does have law to back it up. I believe often they don't make a claim because it is not financially viable.

 

How did this thread get resurrected after 13 months?

[Andyorch]

Blame DX he posted first

[fletch70]

Can I?

 

Such fun

[dx100uk]

godwhat did I start

 

the content of the last post is outside our allowed remit sadly

 

should you wish to get it approved

 

then ask at:

 

admin@consumeractiongroup.co.uk [no spaces]

 

dx

[smokejumper]

Anyone else ever get that feeling " why do I bother "

 

I'M SORRY what more can I do.

 

I thought it was interesting and loosely connected to an experience that I had and did not consider it " dangerous ".

[fletch70]

Smokejumper

I wouldn't worry.

 

To be honest if someone can give me convincing evidence then I will believe , if not I won't.

 

What i would need is cases won in court with the defences they use or winning claims for the invoices that they are sent.

 

I will admit it makes interesting reading though .

 

I have been conned enough over the last few years thinking that people have super knowledge and a magic fix but now I am more convinced that the only fix is showing that you are not a walkover. There are times of course that the law is needed.

 

Try not to be sorry...lets blame DX he was the one who resurrected this thread. I am on my way to beat him with a big stick:whoo:

[sillygirl1]

I went to court with the local council over council tax and ended up with two adjournments to allow the council time to 'reconsider' their amount they claimed, and ended up with them loosing their costs claim!

 

This Freedom of the Land and quoting Magna Carta is rubbish, as many of the laws HAVE been superceeded by varying acts, even if it isn't stated explicitly, one of the first of the acts that superceeded some of the Magna Carta stuff (at least in my limited knowledge of consumer and Common Law) was the Law of Property Act.

[Ganymede]

Anyone else ever get that feeling " why do I bother "

 

I'M SORRY what more can I do.

 

I thought it was interesting and loosely connected to an experience that I had and did not consider it " dangerous ".

 

 

 

 

Look at the "Bill of Exchange" on the first page of this message board and you'll see what I mean.

[fletch70]

I have been a very naughty boy and gone over there and questioned some of the claims

[Ganymede]

I have been a very naughty boy and gone over there and questioned some of the claims

 

 

Oh dear lol.

 

You'll just get banned probably.

[fletch70]

I am used to it:whoo:

[Conniff]

Those that peddle this twaddle are the same people that throw fire extinguishers from office rooves or wear masks and hoodies at piecefull protests and then start a riot going but stand back and film the result.