Soldier who lost leg in Afghanistan has his DLA axed

[sam247]

Soldier who lost leg in Afghanistan has £180 disability cash axed

 

Pte Aron Shelton, 26, lost the benefit as he can now limp 400 metres. Aron, of East Yorks, said: “I fight for my country but it doesn’t even look after me.”

Read more: Soldier who lost leg in Afghanistan has £180 disability cash axed - mirror.co.uk

 

[COUNTMEIN]

Soldier who lost leg in Afghanistan has £180 disability cash axed

 

Pte Aron Shelton, 26, lost the benefit as he can now limp 400 metres. Aron, of East Yorks, said: “I fight for my country but it doesn’t even look after me.”

Read more:

Soldier who lost leg in Afghanistan has £180 disability cash axed - mirror.co.uk

 

 

ABSOLUTLEY DISGRACEFUL!!....

we already now all about the DWP and their scanderlous poloicies towards sick and DISABLBED people..

 

 

They arre talking about this on GMTV AT THE MOMENT AND 'want to hear your views on it!!

 

MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THEM HOW we are treated

www.gm.tv

 

regards

 

countmein x

[loopinlouie]

All because he proudly said how he was recovering and rightly so, thing is he didnt know or wasnt advised to put down the fact he would be in so much pain the following day less mobile.

 

Lets hope he wins his appeal xx

Edited July 23, 2010 by loopinlouie
more accurate

[royalscot]

100% behind the disabled getting what they truly deserve and more so the military , in this case i think it is discusting and would love to see the person responsible for this explain this to nation .

 

On the the flip side , i live beside a guy who claims motability , gets a brand new car and other benefits for what i can see is a limp , ive seen this man erect garden huts , dig foundations for garden walls and maintain a garden that would be the envy of anyone including a vegetable patch , he had a holiday in Ireland last year and drove there and back .

 

Its people like this that make my guts churn , i hope one day he gets caught and others alike with theyre pictures in the media alongside our true disabled ......

 

end of rant

 

regards

rs

[Bookworm]

*Bookie gets on war horse* (with difficulty)

 

On the the flip side , i live beside a guy who claims motability , gets a brand new car and other benefits for what i can see is a limp , ive seen this man erect garden huts , dig foundations for garden walls and maintain a garden that would be the envy of anyone including a vegetable patch , he had a holiday in Ireland last year and drove there and back

and?... Do you know what his limp covers? cancer of the spine, degenerative spinal injuries, stroke, etc...?

 

Do you know what happens all of the time where you don't actually see him? Or how many painkillers he may be taking just to be able to carry out those outdoor activities you take for granted, including the driving? Or what kind of braces/surgical he may be wearing under his clothing to help him stand upright? Do you know what his nights are like and whether he has full bladder control or whether he manages to sleep at night at all? Have you seen him get in the bath?

 

No. You don't know. "as far as you can see", he "only has a limp" and that makes him a fraudster.

 

My son "only" has autism. Not even a limp. But it's unlikely he will ever be able to live on anything but benefits because of his lack of understanding of social behaviour, and he will need specialist care all of his life, despite the fact that his IQ is probably higher than yours and mine combined.

 

As for me, I could be your neighbour. I have the Motability car, and I have just driven back from Devon only last week. I have a garden, which I tend to to the best of my possibilities.

 

What you don't see are the days where I am completely housebound, the stack of graded medication, from "painful" to "unbearable, please shoot me now". You don't see the braces which cost me a fortune just to hold me up. Or the 4 different walking sticks I have to use at different times. Or the heated pads I have in the car, bed and chair to help relieve the constant misery. Or the TENS machines. Or the rails etc that my husband has installed to help me shuffle from bed to bath and back.

 

If I ever get dimed on by a nice neighbour like you, I am planning to take the whole paraphernalia to the DWP interview and dump it on their desk and then tell them to take me to court if they dare.

[ee-bee]

well said bookworm,

[royalscot]

*Bookie gets on war horse* (with difficulty)

 

I shall respond to this once my anger dies down .

 

In detail ......

 

 

 

To a person who obviously believes that there is no such thing as benefit fraud in this country

 

Until then

 

regards

 

 

rs

[honeybee13]

Royalscot, if you have seen other posts that Bookworm has put on the forum, I don't think she's implying that she condones benefit fraud for a second.

 

I don't know if your neighbour is taking the mick or not, but it's useful to read the alternative point of view.

 

Bookie, I had no idea exactly what you were up against. I'm amazed how much you achieve in addition to helping on the forums.

 

HB x

[royalscot]

*Bookie gets on war horse* (with difficulty)

 

Do i take this as a threat

 

Do you know what his limp covers? cancer of the spine, degenerative spinal injuries, stroke, etc...?

 

Yes his limp covers the approx 600yards he chooses to walk to pick his daughter up from school rather than use his mobility car .

 

Do you know what happens all of the time where you don't actually see him? Or how many painkillers he may be taking just to be able to carry out those outdoor activities you take for granted, including the driving? Or what kind of braces/surgical he may be wearing under his clothing to help him stand upright? Do you know what his nights are like and whether he has full bladder control or whether he manages to sleep at night at all? Have you seen him get in the bath?

 

Yes i can hear him as i stay under him .

I hear him hoovering his carpets , ive heard him flooring out the attic , ive heard him laying laminate flooring and heard him ripping out an entire kitchen in preparation for a new one and various other movements ( apart from bowel ) as he is always on the go , in fact when anyone goes into his garden hes out his chair like lightning along the lobby down the stairs and at them before you could blink an eye , not an easy thing to do if one had illnesses such as cancer of the spine, degenerative spinal injuries, stroke, etc...?

 

No. You don't know. "as far as you can see", he "only has a limp" and that makes him a fraudster.

 

I think i do , more than you , as i have explained in more detail ....he is a benefit cheat .....

 

My son "only" has autism. Not even a limp. But it's unlikely he will ever be able to live on anything but benefits because of his lack of understanding of social behaviour, and he will need specialist care all of his life, despite the fact that his IQ is probably higher than yours and mine combined.

 

As for me, I could be your neighbour. I have the Motability car, and I have just driven back from Devon only last week. I have a garden, which I tend to to the best of my possibilities.

 

What you don't see are the days where I am completely housebound, the stack of graded medication, from "painful" to "unbearable, please shoot me now". You don't see the braces which cost me a fortune just to hold me up. Or the 4 different walking sticks I have to use at different times. Or the heated pads I have in the car, bed and chair to help relieve the constant misery. Or the TENS machines. Or the rails etc that my husband has installed to help me shuffle from bed to bath and back.

 

I dont understand why your telling me this , i dont know you , nor do i wish to after your attack on my integrity , your virtually calling me a liar to something that i witness day in day out and have done for over eight years .

 

I merely asked for any thoughts on the flip side of this debate and what i got was an angry person accusing me of telling lies .

 

You dont live here i do pehaps you should get off your war horse and be civil

 

rs

[GRUMPYOLEMAN]

Hi I too am totally disgusted with this decision. However, like most of people that are ill and disabled, they would not wish to remain like that if at all possible. Obviously there are medical conditions that deteriorate each year and others that make any progress is impossible.

 

Of course the soldier is right in trying to improve his lot and help his own recovery. I thought that was the purpose of DLA, that if you improved, the care/mobility needed would reduce?

 

One point I have a problem with is where on the DLA1A does it state that you must show your 'worst' day and whether the pain level is greater the following day? I have read the notes that came with the form as well.

 

The form clearly states that it is a 'normal' day and asks how far you can walk with stops before you start to feel severe discomfort.

 

By putting down your worst day, it seems to me, unless I am wrong, that you are in fact saying that your worst day is your normal day - which it isn't of course. Now that has me confused.

 

I ask this as I have just filled out another DLA form reporting changes, that I can now manage 'normally' to be mobile. Of course I have my off days, like us all, but have good ones as well. I have taken my 'normal as being 'on average'.

 

Have I got this wrong? And should I give the impression that my worst day is like a normal day?

[Bookworm]

*Bookie gets on war horse* (with difficulty)

 

Do i take this as a threat

Nooooooo , it was a reference to my own disability and lack of mobility.

 

Do you know what his limp covers? cancer of the spine, degenerative spinal injuries, stroke, etc...?

 

Yes his limp covers the approx 600yards he chooses to walk to pick his daughter up from school rather than use his mobility car .

And? Do you monitor in how much pain he is, or how many drugs he's taken before doing it? Do you know if his Doctor advised him to mobilise as much as he can and that's how he does it? NO.

 

Do you know what happens all of the time where you don't actually see him? Or how many painkillers he may be taking just to be able to carry out those outdoor activities you take for granted, including the driving? Or what kind of braces/surgical he may be wearing under his clothing to help him stand upright? Do you know what his nights are like and whether he has full bladder control or whether he manages to sleep at night at all? Have you seen him get in the bath?

 

Yes i can hear him as i stay under him .

I hear him hoovering his carpets , ive heard him flooring out the attic , ive heard him laying laminate flooring and heard him ripping out an entire kitchen in preparation for a new one and various other movements ( apart from bowel ) as he is always on the go , in fact when anyone goes into his garden hes out his chair like lightning along the lobby down the stairs and at them before you could blink an eye , not an easy thing to do if one had illnesses such as cancer of the spine, degenerative spinal injuries, stroke, etc...?

Wow. You must have that glass firmly set against the wall with your ear glued to it if you can hear all that.

 

No. You don't know. "as far as you can see", he "only has a limp" and that makes him a fraudster.

 

I think i do , more than you , as i have explained in more detail ....he is a benefit cheat .....

That's YOUR -limited- opinion. He may well be. Or he may not. YOU don't know. YOU assume.

 

My son "only" has autism. Not even a limp. But it's unlikely he will ever be able to live on anything but benefits because of his lack of understanding of social behaviour, and he will need specialist care all of his life, despite the fact that his IQ is probably higher than yours and mine combined.

 

As for me, I could be your neighbour. I have the Motability car, and I have just driven back from Devon only last week. I have a garden, which I tend to to the best of my possibilities.

 

What you don't see are the days where I am completely housebound, the stack of graded medication, from "painful" to "unbearable, please shoot me now". You don't see the braces which cost me a fortune just to hold me up. Or the 4 different walking sticks I have to use at different times. Or the heated pads I have in the car, bed and chair to help relieve the constant misery. Or the TENS machines. Or the rails etc that my husband has installed to help me shuffle from bed to bath and back.

 

I dont understand why your telling me this , i dont know you , nor do i wish to after your attack on my integrity , your virtually calling me a liar to something that i witness day in day out and have done for over eight years .

 

I merely asked for any thoughts on the flip side of this debate and what i got was an angry person accusing me of telling lies .

 

You dont live here i do pehaps you should get off your war horse and be civil

 

I did not accuse you of telling lies. I accused you of being blinkered, oblivious to what goes on in other people's lives and thinking that because you see a small part of someone's life, that makes you an expert on fraud?

 

I gave you and mine examples in the hope that it would make you see that appearances can be deceiving and that not all may not be as it seems.

 

But you obviously have decided that you're right and your neighbour is a fraudster.

 

I WAS being civil to you in my first post, but not any more, to quote you:

 

"Its people like this that make my guts churn" and I do mean YOU.

 

I DON'T hope for you to one day stand in a disabled person's shoes, because that is simply too nasty for words. On the contrary, I hope that you never have to go through what so many people do, without needing people like you pointing the finger at them.

 

If you're so sure your neighbour is a fraudster, why don't you shop him? I believe there may be 30 pieces of silver in it for you.

 

Bookie, out. (before CAGbot has to intervene, may I add)

[Bookworm]

Have I got this wrong? And should I give the impression that my worst day is like a normal day?

the problem is with the DWP and the misconception that they are to be fair and consistent.

 

If you tell them things as they are, they will automatically assume that you are lying and therefore you are not as bad as you describe on your average day. Remember, their aim is NOT to give you the best benefit you should be getting, but to save money. The smaller the award (or no award at all) is that much money saved, you see. I know it doesn't make sense, but there it is.

[GRUMPYOLEMAN]

the problem is with the DWP and the misconception that they are to be fair and consistent.

 

If you tell them things as they are, they will automatically assume that you are lying and therefore you are not as bad as you describe on your average day. Remember, their aim is NOT to give you the best benefit you should be getting, but to save money. The smaller the award (or no award at all) is that much money saved, you see. I know it doesn't make sense, but there it is.

 

Errrrr thanks for the info, but I've got to be honest, you have confused me even further!

 

So because I am being honest - they think I am lying, so I presume you should lie and exagerate the difficulties so that they will assume I am lying and give me less - which I presume will be what I asked for in the first place! phewww how do you get round that one?

 

The normal day should be your worst day and the best day - then what happens?

 

It's got to be easier than this - surely?

[Bollotom]

Well, it started off as a trip on the outrage bus as a soldier had had his benefits cut. Then a flurry of sparring and general accusation/denial/accusation, then a discourse on DWP money saving exercises. AND NOT ONE MORE WORD ABOUT THIS POOR BLOODY PONGO.

 

We should all be complaining to our MPs about this treatment of someone who IS disabed. Perhaps young Major Phil should go round dwp offices and ask them if they think HE is disabled. Better still transfer the DWP directorate to Helmund province and let them take some of the hot crap for a while.;

[jabba jones]

Remember, their aim is NOT to give you the best benefit you should be getting, but to save money. The smaller the award (or no award at all) is that much money saved, you see. I know it doesn't make sense, but there it is.

 

I'm sorry but that is rubbish. The aim of a DLA DM is to award the correct level of benefit from the info they have been provided with. How much money they can save the government doesn't come into it.

 

The form asks for a normal day. Not a good day, not a bad day, just an average day.

 

Going back to the topic of this thread. The newspaper states that on his review form the soldier admitted he could now walk 400 metres unaided. No mention of the pain & struggle that this causes him. Did he mention this on the form? That's not clear.

 

As the article also states DLA is not based on the illness/incapacity. It's based on how the illness/incapacity effects your daily life. As I've said earlier the DLA DM can only go by what info they have been provided with. If he's not explained his limitations fully & only mentioned his improvements then this will have worked against him.

[Bookworm]

I'm sorry but that is rubbish. The aim of a DLA DM is to award the correct level of benefit from the info they have been provided with. How much money they can save the government doesn't come into it.

:lol: You don't have many dealings with them on a daily basis as a claimant, do you? Nice to see someone who still has such innocence.

 

Why don't you have a look at the ATOS threads we have going on here, and then still try to tell me it's not about money saving and keep a straight face?

[kiptower]

100% with you on this Bookie, if everyone put down what an average day was no one would get benifit, and just how do you judge an average day , disability affects people in many different was, there is no such thing as an average day

 

all the legit help groups will tell you ALWAYS put the worst case down in the answers

 

with the posters understanding of it unless you lost both arms and legs you would get nothing

[sam247]

I posted this article on an ebay community board,and someone replied with "how do you think douglas bader managed"

I,m afraid anyone who thinks this is not about saving money is being slightly deluded and naive,Even the DWP stated: “Disability Living Allowance isn’t paid based on the condition someone has but on the extra costs they may have because of their specific needs or difficulties."

You mean like having a car?

[jabba jones]

:lol: You don't have many dealings with them on a daily basis as a claimant, do you?

 

Do I not? I bow to your knowledge of what experience I have!

[45002]

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Edited July 24, 2010 by 45002
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[RaeUK]

:lol: You don't have many dealings with them on a daily basis as a claimant, do you?

 

Do I not? I bow to your knowledge of what experience I have!

 

 

Confusion arises. Jabba J, Bookworm is saying you don't claim benefits and therefore cannot quite 100% empathise with a claimant.

Your 'Do I not' leads one to wonder if you are on benefits whilst working as you claim. Play fair old chap... [unless, of course, you are alluding to a time long gone when you were on benefits???]

Best wishes

Rae

[MARTIN3030]

Shocking story.

[ErikaPNP]

 

 

Confusion arises. Jabba J, Bookworm is saying you don't claim benefits and therefore cannot quite 100% empathise with a claimant.

Your 'Do I not' leads one to wonder if you are on benefits whilst working as you claim. Play fair old chap... [unless, of course, you are alluding to a time long gone when you were on benefits???]

Best wishes

Rae

 

Jabba Jones may well be receiving DLA and working. DLA is not means tested. A person can work whilst claiming quite legitimately, and receive a disability element to their working tax credit on top.

[royalscot]

:lol: You don't have many dealings with them on a daily basis as a claimant, do you?

 

Do I not? I bow to your knowledge of what experience I have!

 

 

 

Is this the correct thread to find out tonite lottery numbers

 

rs

[Bookworm]

I rather understood that Jabba worked for them (as a DM) by the tone and use of words chosen. That's why I said "as a claimant". ;-)

 

The above story has been niggling at me actually... I was thinking that there is this young man, otherwise healthy (presumably). Say that he moved next to you and you know nothing of him. You'd just see a young chap with a limp. (long trousers, most people don't like to have their prosthetics in full view). Young, healthy, but with a limp.

 

If you were to learn he was on disability benefits but not why, how many people would think him a fraudster and resent him milking the system?... Yep, thought so.

 

Food for thought, maybe. ;-)