192.com people finder

[hungrybear]

zoe, many thanks for not answering the question.

 

You will know when I have contacted you directly when the letter arrives. However I refuse to connect at this point via e-mail as that would place a personal ID with you to link with my cag username and defeat the whole purpose of cag anonymity.

[angry cat]

:

I urge everyone to write to their MP, the OFT, etc to complain strongly about this constant blatant abuse of OUR data."

 

Not forgetting the ICO!

[angry cat]

zoe, many thanks for not answering the question.

 

You will know when I have contacted you directly when the letter arrives. However I refuse to connect at this point via e-mail as that would place a personal ID with you to link with my cag username and defeat the whole purpose of cag anonymity.

 

Totally agree HB.

 

These firms are riding a coach and horses over Consumer Rights;

there is too much of it;

an utter disgrace...

[kurvaface]

Zoe.......

 

WHAT STEPS DOES YOUR COMPANY TAKE TO ENSURE THAT MY DATA IS KEPT SAFE FROM CRIMINALS?

 

Is that loud enough?

[dcakiller]

I would also like to know how they keep data away from other undesirables such as an abusive ex partner. or relatives ex friends whom you wish to have no contact. ps 192 cs i notice at time of posting you are still online but not defending or answering any questions.

[angry cat]

It is not just 192, it is also firms such as confused.com;

consumers go onto such sites to check for the best prices, after a few months and upon making an audit of ones CRA credit files, it is discovered that ones data is being processed by firms who have been passed said data by confused.com...

consumers cannot obtain a quote without clicking the 'agree' button.

 

Consumers are being mislead and their subject data is being sold without consent.

 

Who in their right mind, would give 192 et al their consent?

[dcakiller]

I also beleve ALL selling/sharing of our data should be banned and credit checking reffences taken into governent control. with strict recording of details and masive fines for any company flouting the law say £150.000 and 4 years in the jail for the person who procesed the data and keying/admin error not useable as a defence.

Edited December 7, 2009 by dcakiller

[kurvaface]

So these are the people that handle and sell your data, already they make me feel uncomfortable just by the previous name.(British overseas media ltd)

Name & Registered Office:

I-CD PUBLISHING (UK) LIMITED

UNIT 8 QUAYSIDE LODGE

WILLIAM MORRIS WAY

LONDON

SW6 2U

Company No. 03148549

[kurvaface]

The Team

 

 

Alastair Crawford, Founder and CEO

Alastair Crawford founded i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd in 1997.

An internet entrepreneur, he was the first person to publish the Electoral Roll on CD ROM, the first to publish a UK directory enquiry site (192.com), and the first to challenge BT's monopoly of directory enquiries. The inspiration and developer behind the hugely successful UK-info Disk range and the website 192.com, Alastair has never been afraid to challenge monopolistic practices and his success in opening up the directory enquiries market has not only served i-CD well, but the directory industry as a whole.

 

 

Keith Marsden Managing Director

Keith Marsden has worked in the technology sector for 24 years and joined i-CD in June 2002. Keith started his career with BT and has subsequently worked in senior positions at a number of technology companies, including: Psion Dacom, where he returned the loss-making company to profitability; SCM Microsystems, where he played a key role in preparing it for a successful NASDAQ IPO; Grey Cell systems, where he successfully built the company before negotiating its sale to TDK Systems and YAC a web-based telecoms start-up. Alastair invited Keith to join i-CD in 2002. Keith’s operational management skills complement Alastair's entrepreneurial creativity.

 

 

Bobby Foley Financial Director

Bobby Foley trained with PriceWaterhouseCoopers in Limerick, Ireland and moved to the UK in 1989 where he worked in various roles in banking, public sector and management consultancy. Bobby worked for Keith Marsden as Financial Controller for TDK Systems Europe (formerly Grey Cell Systems). Bobby then spent two years working in the US as Corporate Planner for TDK USA in New York, helping to improve the overall operational performance of the company. Bobby joined i-CD in November 2002 and he has since delivered significant improvements to the company’s financial controls and reporting systems.

 

 

 

 

 

Dominic Blackburn New Technology Director

Dominic brings over 13 years' experience of working in the directory enquiry market. Prior to working for i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd, he worked for IBI Limited creating the first ever pan-European digital phone book. The role involved developing new and original techniques for improving the accuracy of conventional OCR using a range of skills from image manipulation to data matching and lexiconal analysis. At the time OCR was capable of no more than 50% accuracy on a phone book, but by implementing the new techniques developed by IBI the accuracy rate was raised to over 99%.

 

 

 

 

 

Ian Green Corporate Sales Director

Ian joined i-CD Publishing in November 2002 from Dun & Bradstreet where he was Third Party Sales Director responsible for European business development and e-Commerce initiatives. Ian was with Dun & Bradstreet for 14 years where he initiated D&B's Electronic Reference Services, building and implementing new direct and indirect sales channels and teams. His first task with i-CD was to develop the embryonic 192.com Business Services division into a proven and substantial contributor to the company's revenues. In his first year with the company, Ian succeeded in growing 192.com Business Services' revenues by 85%.

 

 

 

 

Grant Greenwood, Commercial Product Director

 

Grant Greenwood has spent the last 15 years managing, developing and taking to market fraud prevention tools. Grant has built up his fraud industry experience at ABR, Australia’s leading credit reference bureau, where he developed and piloted the leading identity validation and online credit application processing system. In the UK, Grant has worked for Experian, and more recently at 192.com Business Services where he is the Commercial Product Director. At 192, Grant has redesigned and re-oriented the product to match the needs of the fraud prevention professional and is now building global identity verification tools. Grant’s philosophy is that fraud prevention tools need to be invisible to the customer, or at most, deliver minimal impact to the customer experience.

 

 

 

 

 

David Pope, Marketing Director

David is a technology marketing specialist and has held senior roles at QAS and O2. At QAS David ran successful direct marketing operations for the UK, France, the Netherlands and the US and at O2 David won several industry awards for his direct and event marketing campaigns. At i-CD David’s job is help lead 192business into identity verification markets by understanding the needs of ecommerce retailers, online gaming operators, law firms or any other organisation that has a business or regulatory need to bring identity verification into their business processes. The 192business marketing strategy is based on promoting understanding and shared knowledge on key ID verification issues such as how fraudsters and money launderers operate and how ID verification tools can detect and defeat them.

[kurvaface]

i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd - home page

 

Some provisional info about them here

[192CS]

Hi Kurvaface,

To access ER data, Directors etc a user has to pay to do so. We perform detailed checks to make sure the people purchasing are not fraudulent including manual checks. Each search is logged and kept and our Terms and Conditions state that these logs may be made available to law enforcement agencies. So anyone who is using 192.com for criminal purposes is leaving a detailed audit trail. If they were to go to their local council office/library to view these records there wouldn’t be any sort of trail.

I am wanting to help you all on the forum understand where our data comes from and why we are able to display it but I fear that no matter how many assurances I give or detailed explanations I provide you are not willing to help me help you. We do not sell your data on to any parties in the way that has been discussed on this forum and we do not display any information that isn’t already available in the public domain. Our working relationship with the ICO ensures that we do all that we can to provide a service in an environment that is acceptable and helpful to the majority. I have asked people to contact me directly so that I can enter into more detailed conversations with them ‘off forum’ however if people do not wish to do this there is little more that I can offer that I haven't already discussed.

[kiptower]

192CS

 

the question is as per the DPA did you get "prior written consent"

 

as in many other you assume CONSENT then offer OPT OUT that is NOT how the DPA works

 

so unless you have obtained "PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT" you are breaking the DPA by selling/forwarding INFO on your database,

 

you should now go to the ICO put your hands up telling them you got it wrong

[247orbital]

oh as long as they pay thats OK then? You couldn't make it up.

 

If as you say you hold details of any searches on my information, is this accessable by me?

 

I do not give you permission to share my data paid or unpaid regardless if it is in the public domain. My home telephone number, my electoral role details, my occupation are private. If you want my information please write to me and I will give you a very quick answer. ......NO!

[kurvaface]

Zoe,

 

I have not given your company permission to bundle together snippets of my personal data that now in its current form on your website paints a pretty detailed picture of my private life to any crook that wants it.

 

Your reassurance that you can follow an audit trail after this information has been abused is totally unacceptable. I can't think of any reason why any right minded person, if they were informed of your company's activities, would accept that as a safeguard.

[angry cat]

by 192CS:

"...we do not display any information that isn’t already available in the public domain."

 

But, 192 has not been provided with the necessary consent of each and every 'individual' (data subject) concerned!

 

Furthermore, much of the information that is already available in the public domain is often inaccurate e.g. data held and processed by Equifax, Experian and CallCredit!

[kurvaface]

have asked people to contact me directly so that I can enter into more detailed conversations with them ‘off forum’ however if people do not wish to do this there is little more that I can offer that I haven't already discussed.

 

My CAG motto translated into english goes something along the lines of "If you can't say it in public or put it in writing then you have something to hide"

 

Your wish to discuss "Off forum" could be interpreted by some as being insincere.

[kiptower]

AC they are trying the same as the other crowd that did it a few months back with mobile phones

 

bottom line "NO PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT" THEY CANNOT give any one info they hold regardless of what they claim to have in place

 

when they first started the [problem] a few years back I served a NOTICE on them , and not seen any of my data on their since,

 

once they are informed that permission is "NOT GRANTED" they have 28 days ( not working days ) to remove it , full stop

[angry cat]

CCA Search :: CCA Search Results :: Licence Details

 

 

Application / Licence Details

Licence Number:0582571Licence Status:Current

Current Applicant / Licensee:

Business Name Company Registration Number

I-CD Publishing (UK) Limited 3148549

 

Categories:

Consumer credit

Credit reference agency

 

Right To Canvass Off Trade Premises:No

Trading Name(s) (Current):

192.com Business Services

192business

i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd

Search for People, Businesses and Places - 192.com

 

Trading Name(s) (Historic):

192 Business Services

 

Issued Date: 29-Mar-2006 Expiry Date: 28-Mar-2011

Legal Formation:

Body Corporate (incorporated inside UK)

 

Current Individuals that run the organisation:

Name Position

Alastair Crawford OFFICER

Bryan Foley OFFICER

Keith Marsden OFFICER

 

Current Address(es):

Address Type Address

Correspondence Quayside Lodge Units 8-10, William Morris Way, London, SW6 2UZ

Principal Place Of Business Quayside Lodge Units 8-10, William Morris Way, London, SW6 2UZ

Registered Office Quayside Lodge Unit 8-10, William Morris Way, LONDON, SW6 2UZ, United Kingdom

[angry cat]

Details about their previous CCA Licence:

 

CCA Search :: CCA Search Results :: Licence Details :: Licence History :: Event Details

 

 

Event Details

Licence Details:

Licence/Application Number Licence Status Applicant/Holder Name

0484169 Lapsed on 02/04/2005 I-CD Publishing (UK) Limited

 

Event Details:

Event Number Event Type Date of Receipt Closed Date Status

1 New Licence App 23-Feb-2000 04-Apr-2000 Completed

 

Licence Event Details:

Role Name

LICENSEE I-CD Publishing (UK) Limited

Officer Alastair Crawford

Officer Antonia Tildesley

 

Address Type Address

Correspondence The Business Director 10A, 50, Sulivan Road, London, SW6 3DX

Principal Place Of Business 50, Sulivan Road, Fulham, London, SW6 3DX

Registered Office 50, Sulivan Road, Fulham, London, SW6 3DX

 

Trading Names:

Name

192.com

Manpak

 

Categories:

Category

Consumer credit

Consumer hire

Credit brokerage

Credit reference agency

Debt adjusting/counselling

Debt collecting"

[kurvaface]

I-CD PUBLISHING MAKES USUALLY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION PUBLIC

[Undercover-Elsa]

I feel that in view of the current massive ID theft problem the whole system also needs tightening up at the roots. It should emphatically NOT be a DEFAULT OPTION to have your data displayed in the full public register, and therefore accessible to these companies to misuse, sell on etc. We shouldn't have to tick a box to say no - that is open to mistakes. We should have to consciously tick to AGREE and give permission for our data being made public.

In the meantime, 192.com should take steps to remove any and all information on request, whether or not it is available anywhere else.

If we want our friends and relatives to find us, we'll CHOOSE to join Facebook, Friends Reunited or whatever.

I've no desire to have an entry in Debts Reunited or Credit Card Details Reunited, thanks very much.

[bigandyuk1]

Zoe, My electoral role details are not in the public domain and yet you are showing them ??

[kurvaface]

Court refuses 192.com access to full electoral register | Pinsent Masons LLP

[Surfer01]

We have been ex-directory since we got a BT line 18 months ago and have opted out of the electrol register for several or more years. At no time did we give 192.com permission to hold our details. Why should we have to complete a form to opt out when we never opted in? We will be contacting the commissoner's office direct without consulting 192.com as we never gave them permission. As for contacting the representative off forum, surely that is a joke as they will then have your email contact details in addition to the details that they already have which they shouldn't have! I wonder how much compensation we will get for the infringment on our privacy after 192.com has had a hefty fine?

[kurvaface]

Section 4 seems to be the security and protection that Zoe refers to. Hmmm.....that should do the job:evil:

 

 

 

Terms & Conditions

 

 

 

1. Disclaimer

 

 

i-CD Publishing (UK) Limited (“i-CD”) provides the 192.com service (“the Service”) to you on an 'as is' basis. Whilst we use our reasonable endeavours to ensure the accuracy of the information provided on the Service (“Information”), i-CD:

1. does not warrant or guarantee the accuracy, reliability or legality of any of the Information;
   
2. expressly disclaims all or any warranties, express or implied, relating to the Service, including in particular any warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose;
   
3. will not be liable to you under any circumstances whatsoever for any direct, indirect, consequential, punitive or special damages arising from your use of the Service;
   
4. reserves the right, at its discretion, from time to time to make changes to the Information provided on the Service, to alter the nature of the Service, to withdraw all or parts of the Service or to change these terms & conditions of use.
   

You are therefore advised to check any Information provided to you through the Service as any reliance that you place on the accuracy of that Information is at your own risk.

2. Use of 192.com

 

The Service provides access to both free Information, which can be searched without the need to register and premium Information, for which you must register and purchase one of our credit packages. You can also purchase an extended archive membership enabling you to search archived Electoral Rolls. You may conduct a maximum of 10 free searches per day.

3. Credit packages

 

In order for you to search premium Information such as the current Electoral Roll; Births, Marriages and Deaths records; Census data; and Company and Director Reports you must choose one of our credit packages as offered from time to time. Your available credits will be reduced each time you conduct a search. Once you have used all of your credits you must purchase additional credits if you wish to continue searching premium Information. Credits should be used within six (6) months of being purchased at which point any unused Credits will expire.

 

VAT is non refundable on all international orders.

4. Restrictions on Use of the Service

 

You may use Information for reasonable personal use or, in the case of a business, for internal purposes only. You may not sell, rent, lease, publish or display Information to any third parties. You may not integrate the Service into another intranet/extranet other than by contracting with our 192 Business Services Division (Tel: 0207 909 2192), which offers multi-user intranet/extranet access to our services. You may not use automated scripts, software, spiders or any other automated means to perform searches on the Service. Any attempt to extract or download significant amounts of Information from the Service or to compile a database from Information obtained from the Service is strictly forbidden.

 

You are only entitled to use Information in fair, lawful and responsible ways and Information may not be used in any malicious, illegal or anti-social activity. We reserve the right to suspend any accounts where a user has supplied i-CD with a false email address or false personal data or where it comes to our attention that Information obtained from the service is being used in an inappropriate way.

 

You may not i) use Information to recreate, in whole or in part, any database, including the electoral roll or the directory enquiry database; or ii) use Information for direct marketing purposes; or iii) export or permit the export of any substantial amount of Information to a country which is not within the European Union; or iv) distribute any substantial amount of Information to third parties.

 

You agree that in relation to all Information derived from the Service you will comply with all applicable laws and codes of practice including the Data Protection Act 1998 and the Code of Practice on Telecommunications Directory Information Covering the Fair Processing of Personal Data (21 December 1998). You are warned that obtaining Information from the Service with the intention of using it for purposes other than allowed for in these terms & conditions may be an offence under Section 55 of the Data Protection Act 1998 and you should be prepared to justify your use of the Service to the relevant authorities.

 

You agree that if any complaint is made which relates to your use of Information you will assist i-CD and its data suppliers in investigating the complaint and You shall take such steps as are reasonably necessary to remedy the complaint as soon as possible.

5. Intellectual Property

 

The Information contained on the Service, the software used to operate it and the trade marks, logos and other intellectual property used in connection with it are the property of i-CD or have been licensed to i-CD. No licence of any such intellectual property rights is granted to you as a result of your use of the Service. Some of the telephone data provided on the Service is provided under license from British Telecommunications Plc. Through your use of the Service you shall have no rights in the BT trademarks nor any right to reproduce those trademarks on any material.

6. The Rights of i-CD

 

 

By using the Service you agree to these terms and conditions and you agree:

1. to allow i-CD to Send you emails relating to your registration, purchases and account, including site upgrades;
   
2. that if you select to receive the 192.com Newsletter we will email you the regular 192.com Newsletter;
   
3. that if you select to receive 192.com Partner Offers we will also pass your information to very carefully selected partners of 192.com for specific and relevant promotions only (from which you can always opt-out). Email preferences can be changed from within the “Your Account” area of the Service.
   
4. that i-CD may keep a log file of all searches, which can be made available to data subjects and/or the law enforcement authorities.
   
5. to our Privacy Policy
   

Data subjects may request details of the information we hold on them, as laid out in the Data Protection Act. We will require proof of identity (such as a passport, utility bill or driver's licence). An administration charge of �10 will be applicable for such a request. Cheques should be made payable to: i-CD Publishing (UK) Ltd.

7. Protecting Your Security

 

To ensure that your credit, debit or charge card is not being used without your consent, we will validate name, address and other personal information supplied by you during the order process against appropriate third party databases. By accepting these terms and conditions you consent to such checks being made. In performing these checks personal information provided by you may be disclosed to a registered Credit Reference Agency which may keep a record of that information. You can rest assured that this is done only to confirm your identity, that a credit check is not performed and that your credit rating will be unaffected. All information provided by you will be treated securely and strictly in accordance with the Data Protection Act 1998.

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