UKCPS MNPR PCN - no stopping - yellow box - Gateway House Manchester Piccadilly station

[Emmm]

Hi,

less than 2 weeks ago I went to drop off my sister and cousin to Manchester Piccadilly station and the satnav took me to the back of the station where there was no way for the car to park. It was dead end and I was confused , not sure where to go, there was yellow box lines where I stopped the car.

My sister and cousin went out and I drove off. I did get out of the car to give them a hug good bye however did not leave the car unoccupied or unattended or even turned the engine off. 

I have now received this charge for parking charge. Reason for Issue says "No stopping".

As far as I understand, parking is when the car is left unoccupied in an area/place not allowed.

I certainly did not park the car and left it in the yellow box. 

Wondering if there is a way out for me?

Worth appealing this? I haven't responded yet. 

PS. It was on 5th July, 10:58am.

Not sure if it being Sunday morning makes any difference?

All help will be appreciated. 

 

Regards

Maria

[Nicky Boy]

Certainly do not appeal.

Pleae fill out the sticky below so the guys can advise further.

 

[Emmm]

Hi,  Thanks for the link above. I am not sure if I can find the right options above. Mine is a parking charge issued via MNPR (Manual Number Plate Recognition). 

[honeybee13]

Fill in as much as you can and we'll sort out any missing details later.

HB

[Emmm]

Its Parking Charge Notice, not Penalty. Says MNPR (Manual Number Plate Recognition) - Although at the back of the letter it does say that CCTV and ANPR Technology may have been in use. 

1 Date of the infringement 25th June, 2023

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 5th July, 2023

[scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s

3 Date received 6th July, 2023

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] No

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A

7 Who is the parking company? UKCPS

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Gateway House Piccadilly, Manchester (Yellow Box lines)

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

Appeals can be made online via ukcps.zatappeal.com . If appeal is unsuccessful then appeal can be lodged to IAS (Independent Appeals Service)

 

[honeybee13]

Thank you for the information and well done for not appealing, it's a no-no for us.

Could we see both sides of the NtK please? Pdf is best, our upload guide will help you if you need it.

HB

 

[Emmm]

I am trying to attach but it keeps giving me errors. Upload fails every time, it's a doc file and only 541kb

 

Managed to do it eventually

2023-06-05 UKCPS PCN yellow box.pdf

[dx100uk]

thats because we only want PDF and properly redacted too

ive done both for you.

there are 100's of like threads here on this fake yellow box scam.

simply ignore everything until/unless you ever get a letter of claim

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clickme ^^^ 

[dx100uk]

and ps IT IS NOT A FINE..it's a speculative invoice ....ive changed that word in post 1

[Emmm]

so I should ignore the warning of being taken to county court if I fail to pay this charge?
What is letter of claim? And what if Letter of Claim has higher amount, currently I can get away with £60. What if they increase it further? 

[honeybee13]

I'm afraid if you need to ask those questions you need to read more threads here than just your own. You really need to start the learning curve like everyone else has.

This could go away but there's a chance they will go all the way to a Letter of Claim which has to be headed as that. At that point you send a 'snotty letter' letting them know you'll be trouble if it goes as far as court.

It's up to you if you want to listen to their threats and pay up. We don't recommend it but are you up for a fight?

HB

[Emmm]

My primary question is, am I in the wrong or right? considering it says parking charge in a yellow box. Technically parking is when we leave the car unattended which I did not. so is this even right or not? 

[Nicky Boy]

This is a self help forum.

Have you read other threads as suggested?

If you do, you'll see that the fleecers will use any means to get you to pay for something you haven't done...

They're nothing better than scammers.

You've already made one very obvious valid point about parking V stopping in your last post.

Try reading a few cases from our "successes" threads...

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by Nicky Boy

[dx100uk]

1 hour ago, dx100uk said:

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clickme ^^^ 

read up ive given you links to threads here with all the answers. just hold and click 'programable search engine' above 

dx

 

[FTMDave]

We know Gateway House very well.  I've just done a quick search and yours is the 21st case we have.

The good news is that for all their bluster and threats about how they will drop a nuclear bomb on your house, UKCPS haven't actually had the gonads to take any of the other 20 motorists to court.

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/search/?q="Gateway house"&quick=1&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy&search_in=titles

As the others have said, get reading some of these threads and you'll soon gen up on the legal arguments and be aware of what UKCPS will do next.

[Emmm]

I have gone through the other threads, there is no mention of court cases, but someone received a letter from a law firm perhaps with a warning of court case proceedings. This is the letter of claim I am guessing. 
What's the worst case scenario I need to be prepared for if I decide to ignore?

[dx100uk]

yes just dont ignore a letter of claim.

yours is not the next move.

oh and dont move in 6yrs without informing them in writing.

dx

 

[FTMDave]

41 minutes ago, Emmm said:

I have gone through the other threads, there is no mention of court cases

And that is the most important point.  You've found no mention of court cases because UKCPS threaten to take motorists to court for this site, but have never actually had the balls to do so.  They have never taken anyone on CAG to court for Gateway House - because they know their case is pants.

The worst case scenario is that you are super unlucky, become the first ever Cagger to be taken to court, you get a biased judge and lose, and have to pay around £250.

[dx100uk]

and they didnt even paint the box! 

its on railway land too so byelaws over ride as well.

dx

 

[brassnecked]

If they did take someone to court as Bylaws apply they would likely lose anyway.

[Emmm]

so far I have been receiving reminder letters and now they have passed my case to debt recovery who has sent me a letter. Don't think this is letter of claim. 

It gives standard reference numbers, date, parking charge date, parking charge notice no. , creditor, vehicle reg, location etc. and reason NO STOPPING

The letter says:

The time has come to decide how you wish to proceed regarding an unpaid parking charge you received in Gateway House Piccadilly Manchester on 25/06. 

If you don't respond now, you are making an active choice. Our client reserves the right to take this as evidence of your intent not to pay. 

Options are paying in full i.e. £170
Payment plan
Do nothing - in this case they will inform legal team, share contact evidence, advise legal action starts. with Intent not to pay added to case. 

Do I need to respond to this? or ignore?

[FTMDave]

Ignore.

Plus have a good laugh at their idiocy.

The imbeciles who are writing to you - sounds like Debt Recovery Plus, right? - don't own the debt so have no powers to do anything.

Edited September 26, 2023 by FTMDave
Typo

[Emmm]

It is Debt Recovery Plus indeed

[brassnecked]

Yes DRP a paper Tiger DCA.

[Emmm]

Hi, 

After so long, I have now received a letter from CST Law.

It's titled as "Unpaid Debt - Reminder Notice".

I can upload the copies shortly but they have been instructed by Debt Recovery as the agent of UKCPS.

It says their client has right to commence court proceedings. 

Also says, The Supreme Court Case of Beavis v Parking Eye (2015) confirmed the lawfulness of private parking charges under Civil Law. 

What should I do on this one? Any advice please?

Thanks

M

CST Law.pdf