TfL LEZ PCNs 10 months later...Euro Parking Collections - netherlands.

[martijn80]

Hi there!

 

Yesterday I received 4 fines for driving through congestion charge zones in London (3 fines on one day in Januari '22 and one in februari '22) totalling 400 euros when paid within 14 days.

 

I am willing to pay this, if this was all.

 

Problem is, since januari I came to the UK for business multiple time, so I am a bit worried that a lot more will come.

I found out that a PCN should be issued within 28 days after the offense. But I don't know if that also applies to a foreigner like me, living in The Netherlands.

 

Im a law abiding citizen and of course willing to pay if I have done something wrong. But getting a fine should work like a feedback loop; however 10 months after the fact did not give me a chance to improve my "behavior".

 

Any ideas what could be done about this and does anyone know if the 28 day limit applies to me as a Dutchie? Thanks in advance! Mart

[DTP77]

A Notice to Owner has to be issued within 6 months, not 28 days.  Being a foreigner is irrelevant the rule is 6 months.

 

Check the  issue date printed on the Notice to Owner, If it's dated more then six months from the date of the traffic contravention then its unenforceable. 

 

I see you stated you received 3 fines for one day? 

I take it you was only driving one vehicle on that day within the zone?

 

You only receive one fine a vehicle for a 24 hour period if you did not pay the congestion charge for that day     

Edited November 28, 2022 by DTP77

[martijn80]

Hi DTP77, thank you for your quick responses. You are right, I havent looked well enough. Actually, there are two for 30/1 and two for 26/2. But one ULEZ and one normal one.

[DTP77]

If you are correct and all the Notice to Owner's (4) are dated more then six months after the contravention date. Then you need to make a representation under, there has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority. 

Tell them that the PCN is unenforceable because the notice to owner was issued after six months   

Edited November 28, 2022 by DTP77

[martijn80]

PHOTO-2022-11-23-15-41-11.pdf

 

Ok, DTP77, thank you very much for your help! Much appreciated!

[DTP77]

The letter you uploaded, is not in English I cannot understand what is written.

I'm not sure if that is a notice to owner,  could it be a "trace" letter.

 

The Issuing Authority may have started the PCN process within the correct timeframe but as you live abroad they had to trace you. 

You need to read through it and see if this is the case.

 

If it is, then the PCN stands. 

 

I'm not sure what enforcement powers are available to TFL if you are not in the Uk.  

[dx100uk]

thats from a foreign dca nothing to do with TfL etc.

just ignore them

there is nothing they can do to you.

 

dx

 

 

[dx100uk]

 

[martijn80]

1 hour ago, DTP77 said:

If you are correct and all the Notice to Owner's (4) are dated more then six months after the contravention date. Then you need to make a representation under, there has been a procedural impropriety on the part of the enforcement authority. 

Tell them that the PCN is unenforceable because the notice to owner was issued after six months   

I will do that! The Euro Parking however, doesnt allow me to object online. Only by post.

 

Apparently I can still retrieve the fine from the London authorities.. 

Schermafbeelding 2022-11-28 om 12.49.29.pdf

 

53 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

thats from a foreign dca nothing to do with TfL etc.

just ignore them

there is nothing they can do to you.

 

dx

 

 

Thank you very much dx1000uk, that is hopeful. 

[dx100uk]

Just ignore.

 

Don't contact anyone 

 

Dx

[DTP77]

dx100uk is correct do not contact anyone.

 

It became apparent after you uploaded the photos this is no longer with Transport for London (TFL)  so representation is no longer an option.

The debt is now with a Debt Collection Agency (DCA).

 

Just ignore, there is nothing they can do.