US elections November 2020

[cjcregg]

2 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

 

 

Donald Trump
Trump needs to win THREE of Arizona, North Carolina, Nevada and Georgia AND win Pennsylvania.

Nope that's completely wrong. So much for the Guardian. 

[honeybee13]

Why are they wrong, cj?

[tobyjugg2]

[cjcregg]

16 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Why are they wrong, cj?

Do the maths.

 

T needs 57.

 

AZ 11

NV 6

NC 15

PN 20

 

Total 52.

[honeybee13]

I see your point. Still, that makes it more difficult for Trump. No wonder they're trying so hard in PA.

[cjcregg]

11 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I see your point. Still, that makes it more difficult for Trump. 

Indeed and it also increases the chances of the Dems taking the Senate, albeit with Harris' casting vote.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Apart from Alaska which is almost certainly republican and 3 votes, and North Carolina with 15 votes likely republican

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/north-carolina-president-results?icid=election_usmap

 

all others are getting more and more likely (but still not certain (including Arizona)) Biden/democrat wins

 

and most votes to be counted seem to be from the VERY democrat leaning larger population areas.

All the massive ranch low population counties have only handfuls of votes outstanding - and they are probably from the 'help' on the ranches.

 

eg

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/arizona-president-results?icid=election_usmap

 

 

[cjcregg]

Biden leads in PN now.

[tobyjugg2]

Trump claiming shenanigans by democrats, but it would appear that a number of batches of thousands of postal ballots are being 'found' in sweeps

[hightail]

11 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Trump claiming shenanigans by democrats, but it would appear that a number of batches of thousands of postal ballots are being 'found' in sweeps

'Found' or being brought out to be counted?  As I understood it, traditionally (and maybe only in some states) postal votes are not counted unless they would make a difference.  If one candidate has polled enough votes that the postal votes can't alter the result then they don't even bother with them.  Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the box so I could see him honestly convinced they're an optional extra and only used out of spite to defeat him.

[honeybee13]

There were also sweeps by the US postal service, I don't know if they're still going on.

[cjcregg]

29 minutes ago, hightail said:

 As I understood it, traditionally (and maybe only in some states) postal votes are not counted unless they would make a difference.  If one candidate has polled enough votes that the postal votes can't alter the result then they don't even bother with them.  

 

 

[hightail]

26 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

There were also sweeps by the US postal service, I don't know if they're still going on.

I guess it depends on the rules by state and if they’re relevant. They each set their own so your postal vote would be valid if postmarked Election Day in one whereas it might need to have been delivered by then in another.  You wouldn’t want to risk a postal worker ‘missing’ the odd sack of mail left in a corner or under a bench.  

 

There are states where the postal ballot can’t make a difference so they’ve declared without them.  Don’t suppose they’ll be bothering so much there no matter when they have to be in by.

[tobyjugg2]

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-defends-us-postal-service-chief-amid-row-over-electoral-interference-claims-12050251

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trumps-postal-service-meddling-could-blow-up-the-election

 

https://www.americanoversight.org/investigation/political-interference-at-the-u-s-postal-service

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/31/us-election-mail-delays-swing-states?ref=hvper.com

 

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/elections/2020/10/31/undelivered-mail-ballots-found-at-miami-dade-post-office/

 

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-11-04-washington-post--300-000-postal-votes-missing-across-the-united-states.S1czNXExtD.html

 

systematic efforts by Trump to ensure the US mail services are swamped - after pressing republican voters to vote on the day.

 

May have backfired in one state, but have worked quite well for him in many others.

 

 

[dx100uk]

i have placed a blank line between all your links so they are now clickable.

[cjcregg]

I actually wonder how some people make their way in life. Or maybe they just don't.

 

9 hours ago, hightail said:

 

 

There are states where the postal ballot can’t make a difference so they’ve declared without them. 

 

The counting of valid ballots (mail-in or otherwise) isn't discretionary. All eligible votes are counted. 

[hightail]

2 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

I actually wonder how some people make their way in life. Or maybe they just don't.

 

 

The counting of valid ballots (mail-in or otherwise) isn't discretionary. All eligible votes are counted. 

That ‘every vote is counted’ seems obvious to us but in Trump’s mind may seem unfair somehow.  It’s him throwing the tantrums, not me.  I’m just interested in why he may believe it’s fraudulent, his reasoning.

[cjcregg]

3 hours ago, hightail said:

That ‘every vote is counted’ seems obvious to us but in Trump’s mind may seem unfair somehow.  It’s him throwing the tantrums, not me.  I’m just interested in why he may believe it’s fraudulent, his reasoning.

 

You said it was ''states where the postal ballot can’t make a difference so they’ve declared without them''. Not Trump.

 

Remember?

 

 

Edited November 7, 2020 by BankFodder
Removal of unhelpful and inflammatory remark

[hightail]

3 minutes ago, cjcregg said:

n short you are stupid and you think I am too

I am sure you are very clever.  

[unclebulgaria67]

And the winner is US TV news networks who are going to be arguing ( between commercial breaks) 24/7 for the next 4 months !

 

And US voting regulations in different states make UK system seem very antiquated. UK has ballot with  a cross in box, US have forms that have to be run through computer scanners, ID checks, signatures etc. 

[honeybee13]

I liked this from conservative columnist Max Boot in the Washington Post.

 

“I have never been more grateful for President Trump’s incompetence,” writes the conservative columnist Max Boot in the Washington Post. “He can’t even organize a coup d’état properly.”

[unclebulgaria67]

According to CNN in their coverage of the US election result.

 

" This could be the day "   Said many number times on Thursday

 

" This could be the day "  Repeated throughout Friday

 

" This could be the day "  Is it still Friday ? No, Saturday morning and the news anchors are still repeating all of the same information they have for the last 48 hours or more.  Clearing getting totally bored by the situation, with their faces no longer hiding their feelings.

 

And the **breaking news** hot off the press from somewhere in Pennsylvania, is that they are expecting an update at some point very shortly about number of votes still outstanding or on some other point, which they are not really sure about. 

 

Will Saturday be the day or will it be Sunday, Monday...............?

 

 

[honeybee13]

I'd say it won't be today. Wisconsin and Georgia have recounts, are they doing that over the weekend?

 

It seems fairly academic to me, historically recounts have only changed the figure by a few hundred and Biden's lead runs into thousands in most of the outstanding states.

[honeybee13]

The Guardian are using AP's decisions on who has won which state. This is what AP says, from the Live feed at 11.32. There's more detail on the different states if people are interested.

 

I’m sure a lot of people are coming to this live blog just wanting to know when we’ll get a final result, and what is holding it all up. Here’s what the Associated Press (AP) said yesterday about the reasons remaining for not ‘calling’ the final few swing states for one candidate or another.

They all essentially boil down to ‘there’s still enough uncounted votes to swing it either way, and there will likely have to be a re-count in any case’.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/nov/06/us-election-joe-biden-donald-trump-result-latest-who-is-winning-live-2020-updates

[unclebulgaria67]

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