Mutating Corona Virus

[unclebulgaria67]

Covid rates reach record levels in Bristol, public health boss warns - Bristol Live

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Councillors told the authorities have "no mitigations" to halt increase until everyone is vaccinated

 

[snowdragon]

just had second jab and was given the pfiser  sorry for spelling,  was asked if had any problems with first jab, told them what happened, a Doctor was called  and straight away she said  I     should have that jab, also said mine was not first case!

Let you know if   get any side effects xx

 

Sandy

 

 

[honeybee13]

That's encouraging, Sandy. I hope you feel better this time.

[hightail]

21 hours ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

If the information provided by Cummings in the BBC interview is accurate, I am not sure many people would be happy that it is acceptable to Boris for older people to die from Covid

Likely accurate but now historic in that more recent deaths don't appear to be mainly among the elderly and people are still reacting to whatever the BBC says they should day by day.  Yesterday's outrage is easy forgotten it seems when replaced by today's headline.

[tobyjugg2]

Little point, suddenly cant log in with my usual old firefox - wont accept my login, well seems to accept it but doesnt log me in and throws me onto the 'you cant access that page you need to log in'

Confirmed pasword etc Ok so its a new issue with the old firefox - but thats what I use and not constantly firing up a different browser - so cancelling notifications and probably gone unless I can (easily) sort the issue this site has with my proxied and protected firefox

[dx100uk]

There was a major upgrade a few days ago .

[tobyjugg2]

 

'upgrade is debatable and disputable

 

 

oh parting gift for hightail - as much as is currently known and estimated ... from the Oxford crew

 

Results: Higher levels of all immune markers were correlated with a reduced risk of symptomatic infection.

{yer dont say sherlock}

 

Vaccine efficacy of 80% against primary symptomatic COVID-19 was achieved with an antibody level of

40923 (95% CI: 16748, 125017) and 63383 (95% CI: 16903, not computed (NC)) for anti-spike and anti-RBD,

and 185 (95% CI: NC, NC) and 247 (95% CI: 101, NC) for pseudo- and live-neutralisation assays respectively. 

 

Antibody responses did not correlate with overall protection against asymptomatic infection.

 

Conclusions: nowt but blah blah blah

 

Note

Yet to be peer reviewed but opinions:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-preprint-looking-at-correlates-of-protection-aiming-to-identify-levels-of-antibody-protection-required-to-prevent-symptomatic-covid-19/

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Nobody wants to buy Britain's two million bits of useless PPE

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The UK is trying to flog its unusable PPE to other NATO members. Nobody wants to buy it | Politics

 

[honeybee13]

I suppose they're trying to get some money back which is good in one way. But why aren't they getting it back from the cronies, oops, suppliers who provided the dodgy PPE?

[tobyjugg2]

Theres too much visibility to justify (falsify) the middleman multi-million fees (again) to sell them  ..

and anyway, no-one else wants to pay over the odds for expensive aprons and gloves that barely meets mcDonalds burger flipper standards at 100x the cost ..

[tobyjugg2]

On 20/07/2021 at 10:51, hightail said:

It always has been advice rather than law and it hasn't been a secret.

 

So back to this point while I have a browser that can log in .. until the next change

 

 

1. All the indications and rhetoric were that the ping was a required instruction ... even Johnson felt the need to cook up and excuse rather than just bring out the 'its advisory when we do it  .. yet again - remember that?

 

2. I thought it was required .. as clearly the vast majority did - just like with Cummings - catch us twice eh? ... and who would have thought that NHS test and trace app wasnt under the same rules as NHS test and trace .. even if they aren't NHS ?

- almost no-one

 

3. The Liars  err populist politicians are still banging on about 'who is exempt from locking down when pinged ..

- errr given the above thats EVERYBODY unless you want to TRY to claim some lockdown benefit it seems .. is it not?

 

 

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

In a blow to Global Britaiin, Sky News are saying that the Oz and NZ rugby teams have withdrawn from the Rugby World Cup, due to be held in England in October and November. They think that it's too unsafe to send teams and staff over.

 

COVID-19: Rugby league boss slams 'selfish and cowardly' move to withdraw Australia and New Zealand from World Cup over England coronavirus fears

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"The COVID-19 situation in the UK shows no sign of improving, and it's simply too unsafe to send teams and staff over," says...

 

[tobyjugg2]

38 minutes ago, tobyjugg2 said:

Theres too much visibility to justify (falsify) the middleman multi-million fees (again) to sell them  ..

and anyway, no-one else wants to pay over the odds for expensive aprons and gloves that barely meets mcDonalds burger flipper standards at 100x the cost ..

 

 

Just imagine it cant you

 

Boj 'the incompetent liar':

Hello MR erogan, NATO ally, pal, boj here, want to buy back that ppe you sold us .. at lets say 20% discount?

 

 Erdogan (with peals of laughter ringing in the backgound):

boj who? (someone mutters amongst laughter in background) oh you, how about 50 quid the lot as long as you fly them back at your expense in that hercules of yours

.. and maybe throw in the Hercules as a sweetener as you are such a good negotiator

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Russian junior trade negotiator rings:

Hey UK - now you have given Australia such a good deal at your countries expense, as you said before, under WTO rules you must allow our imports with no tariffs

 

UK (After 3 days looking for someone who had a clue):

Err no we don't that is a specific trade deal where we only have to give Australia all those benefits

 

Russian junior trade negotiator:

So now you suddenly want to apply the actual rules eh?

 

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

NHS staff 3% pay rise will come at cost to other services, No 10 says

The Government has confirmed that there will be no new money to fund the 3% pay rise for NHS staff in England, and the health secretary has been told to find £1.5bn of savings to fund the NHS pay rise, despite criticism that it will mean cuts to other services.

 

Lets all hope its by Johnson the reneger reneging on paying serco Dido and pals for the Test how much we can rip tax payers off for farce.

£37Bllion should go a fair way toward covering the real NHS's expenses.

Then he can renege on paying for the duff ppe - thats another £100Billion towards it isnt  it?

[unclebulgaria67]

Ministers 'fear coronavirus could be spread by farting in a confined space' - Mirror Online

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Ministers have privately pointed to evidence that suggests Covid-19 could be spread when an infected person breaks wind in a confined space, such as a...

 

[tobyjugg2]

The reported reductions in infections is interesting - for all the wrong reasons - given no real scientist can explain it

 

Here's a few thoughts

 

First, the obvious - we expect a reduction in infections because its summer and people are outside more and its quite clear the infections spread far more indoors or in large crowds

 

Second, also obvious - the more people vaccinated, the less spread - we just dont seem to know in any detail how much  or against which strains

 

Now perhaps the less obvious,

* School Kids aren't being tested - but they are outdoors more - but effectively mixing less compared to classrooms

* There has been a significant shortage of lft tests - so less tests

 

 

Now things that I've not been seeing reported, although I have almost utterly lost faith in all the UK reporting

LFT's are best at catching significantly symptomatic infections, and the vaccines do reduce symptomatic infection quite significantly perhaps 60% or more - but thats 60%+ of infected people walking around unknowing - even after lfts.

I've seen this myself with experienced people testing neg on regular testing with LFT's - starting to feel ill and testing positive with PCR and those they have been in close contact with also testing positive via PCR after ALL getting negs with regular LFTs.

None of those I am aware of are as yet seriously ill.

 

That seems to define a vast number of people walking around, asymptomatic, not caught by LFT's, but still infectious, would be caught by PCR's and clearly speeding even in controlled environments - so imagine whats happening in shops/supermarkets where more have stopped wearing masks etc.

 

- and we know infections=mutations

The gov MUST know this. I'm seeing it reported in local hospitals and nursing homes

The vaccine is actually reducing the already limited effectiveness of LFT's in flagging spreadable infections. So both an expected  boon and a un-stated (so far) risk

 

 

 

 

 

 

[honeybee13]

I'm baffled too, TJ, but it's certainly too early to draw conclusions on what's happening.

 

I did see that there are a lot of cases in people who have come into hospital for non-covid related treatment without symptoms but have tested positive. Someone said it could show that the vaccines are reducing the severity of the virus but it still means you've got untested asymptomatic people who are positive wandering around freely.

[tobyjugg2]

I cant think of any other explanation and it does mean the virus is spreading, transmitting and mutating.

I understand some of the lockdown restriction removal, but removing mask and distance is just madness, but I suppose people were heading that way anyway with Johnson and crews antics and messaging.

 

Oh and our local Morrisons, mismanged as it is, removed the one way entry/exit system months ago and re-implemented the bottleneck eveyone past tables of sugary pastries etc .. and each other

 

Tesco haven't - they've maintained the seperate in/out

Edited July 28, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

I know. You've got Johnson telling everyone to 'be careful' without spelling out what that means, but it'll be 'the people's' fault if it goes wrong.

 

And then there are ministers and right and left wing commentators bragging about throwing away their masks and not 'cowering' when faced with the virus. As if covid is listening to people who want to tough it out.

[tobyjugg2]

Sick to death of getting uh oh broken link page everytime I click on last page of a thread or even some actual links, let alone browser coming to grinding stalls everytime this site is accessed necessitating shutdown and restart of browser (new and old when it worked) after leaving this site to get them working properly elsewhere again - causing stalls typos and allsorts. What cretin is bodging this?

 

 

So

Johnson and his jolly rodgerers allocate £6BN to his pals for gloves - probably unusable

 

Revealed: £6bn NHS glove contract shows rocketing cost of PPE | Coronavirus | The Guardian

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Extraordinary sum reveals PPE cost pressures and raises fears of forced labour in overseas factories

 

 

So who thinks the UK could build a factory , employ UK people and make more for just £1Billion or less, and no doubt have many spare to be able to sell abroad to improve our trade balance and maybe even a small return on the investment instead of a total loss?

Of course that flies in the face of the populist ethos of giving middlemen cronies and donies millions for FA and would require them to invest in the UK rather than a tax haven ...

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Covid-19: C.D.C. Reverses Testing Advice for Fully Vaccinated - The New York Times

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Anyone who has been potentially exposed to the virus should get tested, the C.D.C. now says. Previous guidance recommended testing only for...

 

 

Citing New Data, Pfizer Outlines Case for Booster Shots - The New York Times

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Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine may become slightly weaker over time, the company reported. But experts said that most people won’t need...

 

 

Seems to further confirm my opinion that those who have had non-mRNA vaccines should have a mRNA booster, but the case for a booster of the same mRNA vaccine for those who have had 2 doses of an mRNA is weak

 

So I, who have had  2 o/AZ - will push for a pfiser booster.

 

new variant vaccines are unlikely to change my opinion unless one comes out that is truly  a 'rock star'

Edited July 29, 2021 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

Simon Calder is questioning why France is still on the amber-plus list when La Reunion - where most of the Beta cases are - is still amber? It sounds like spite because Macron has upset the PM in the past.

 

Fury grows at mandatory quarantine from France to UK

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The Department of Health and Social Care has not yet explained why Réunion, whose high rates of the Beta variant triggered ‘amber plus’ status...

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Yet allowing incomers from the USA with its rising cases and rising cases of fraud in the US 'covid passports'

While the USA still has the UK on its red list?

 

The EU is apparently vaccinating at 4 times that of the USA currently

[tobyjugg2]

Even NYT is saying that the EU has overtaken the US in percentage of population inoculated, and France and Germany are maintaining vaccination/test/mask/space requirements that the UK has thrown to the wind

 

 

Interesting that Israel is offering a third Pfiser vaccine to over 60's

 

Israel to offer third COVID shot to over 60s

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Such a large-scale booster campaign is a world-first. Health officials are worried that the vaccine's efficacy reduces over time, but some critics...

 

So from what I understand:

* All vaccines effectiveness reduces over time, more against infection and transmission than protection against death/severe illness it seems

 

* O/AZ Antibodies are vastly lower and reduce faster than with pfiser - lower at peak than pfiser after 6 months from what I can see, and reduce most in older folk and those immune compromised (hence some of the figures from aids epidemic Africa)

 

* There are some (unconfirmed as far as I can see) claims that the O/AZ vaccine generates more T-cell response than mRNA vaccines

 

So still seems to me that anyone who had O/AZ vaccine doses needs an mRNA vaccine as a booster,

and its perhaps worth examining if those who have had a pfiser, and are in generally good health should be offered an O/AZ as a booster and whether that should be recommended. 

 

 

oh and I still cant understand why the UK is more OK with people coming in with delta/delta+ on the increase and NOT those with beta .. when with the rest of the world its more the opposite ... despite that the O/AZ vaccine seems even less effective against the beta than the delta which all vaccines have lower effectiveness against..

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by tobyjugg2