Corbyn and the Labour party leadership

[determindator]

 

I gave up my labour party membership after the 1st Gulf war so am no labour supporter, but there is a lot of Misinformation being spread. This is now the 21st century, not the 1970s

 

Would you mind explaining why you gave up your Labour Membership around this time 1990/91? Have I got the date right?

[obiter dictum]

Would you mind explaining why you gave up your Labour Membership around this time 1990/91? Have I got the date right?

 

My mistake, i meant the second Gulf War after Blair threatened to use the Parliament Act to railroad through legislation outside of a UN Security Council resolution

Edited August 19, 2016 by obiter dictum

[determindator]

Thanks for reply as I was scratching my head on that one.

[Guest]

the Mayor now chips in and wants Corby out, suggesting that not many (enough) wld vote for him...does noone like corby apart from the members that voted for him?

[obiter dictum]

Seems sudden. Just after he was elected Mayor he went on public record that he will play no part in the leadership election. Seems a bit hollow that and he has now lost my respect because of that

[obiter dictum]

[unclebulgaria67]

If Corbyn continues with the Momentum lot driving hard left activists around the country to take over, then the Labour family will split for a period. Most of the current MP's and Lords would form a new party, so they can take over as the main opposition to gain the short money. I think some of the more moderate Unions might also jump ship. If they can get the Lib Dems to join an alliance, they could do quite well at the next election.

[obiter dictum]

The majority of trade unions are for Corbyn, i think only 4 have come out in support of smith. Unions are not renound for being hard left ideals anymore. That went out in the late 1980s

 

Three quarters of the PLP voted for Corbyn, I believe 380 constituencies. You cannot say they are hard left and that is an illusion portrayed by the media

[unclebulgaria67]

The majority of trade unions are for Corbyn, i think only 4 have come out in support of smith. Unions are not renound for being hard left ideals anymore. That went out in the late 1980s

 

Three quarters of the PLP voted for Corbyn, I believe 380 constituencies. You cannot say they are hard left and that is an illusion portrayed by the media

 

Not just the media.

 

What do you know about Momentum and the people behind it ?

[obiter dictum]

To be honest not a lot. I was referencing NLP and how the media in General twist the story to their own advantage without the viewer even noticing

 

Internet blogs and media streams never interest me as they never tell the full truth, only their own version on it

Edited August 21, 2016 by obiter dictum

[buckthorn]

If Corbyn continues with the Momentum lot driving hard left activists around the country to take over, then the Labour family will split for a period.

No matter which of them wins the labour party will split any way, as neither of them have a clue.

And just to let you know I am not a Tory.

[buckthorn]

The majority of trade unions are for Corbyn, i think only 4 have come out in support of smith.

Unions are not renound for being hard left ideals anymore. That went out in the late 1980s

 

“Unions are not renound for being hard left ideals anymore.”

 

What does ‘renound’ mean, ?

Edited August 21, 2016 by Andyorch
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[obiter dictum]

I will return later, we have an Agent Provocateur, better know as an inciting agent trying to cause trouble. And for the record before you make fun of people, i have a disability called

Glaucoma

[Consumer dude]

“Unions are not renound for being hard left ideals anymore.”

 

What does ‘renound’ mean, is it some kind of shop steward talk ?

 

'Known or talked about by many people'..

[unclebulgaria67]

Many Unions don't represent their membership. It used to be the case that Union members were mostly Labour or left of centre, but these days i don't think it is the case. I think leaders like Ken McCluskey are not really supported by most members and the political views are not supported by a majority. I remember seeing the recent pictures in the media of Ken rather enjoying a very expensive night out in Monaco. Champagne socialists ! I am left of centre, but i think some of the criticisms of Unions from the right of politics are pretty accurate,

[Guest]

as expected, corby re-elected. fairly convincingly it seems.

wonder what some 'labour' will try next to try to get rid of him as leader?

[Consumer dude]

as expected, corby re-elected. fairly convincingly it seems.

wonder what some 'labour' will try next to try to get rid of him as leader?

 

David Miliband ?..

[determindator]

The MP's who have resigned in this debacle need to make clear to the public what their fears are and then get back in there and re join the debate of views in the party. Housing was not addressed by previous Governments and my hope it will be now. Our housing is being used by investors to the extent now new builds being bought in hoards off plan and those wanting to buy a house i.e first time younger generation, and all those who just want to have a home to live in, are being turned away as whole developments are being sucked up by investors. Rents in the private sector have escalated to unaffordable levels not to mention slum landlords.

[determindator]

I think the people want less talk and more do. Previous Governments not addressing problems quick enough. People are fed up with personal smears and whether you look good for the media. If the Labour Party can really start to bring the opposition to task, address the real needs of the majority of the population then we will start to see good changes.

[unclebulgaria67]

I think you will find that Corbyn and Macdonals won't work with many MP's who are seen as Blairites, unless they subscribe to Cobyns type of politics. As this is unlikely to happen, many will sit on the backbenches working out how they are going to take Labour back to middleground politics, where they can get 12 million votes to win an election.

 

If you do your research, you will find that much of what Corbyn talks about has no substance. He talked about getting together experts in various fields to help Labour build their policies so they can provide answers to todays problems. Many of the experts contacted were not kept engaged, after a first contact. Corbyn does not possess the leadership skills or have people around him that can help organise the Labour party.

[determindator]

 

If you do your research, you will find that much of what Corbyn talks about has no substance. He talked about getting together experts in various fields to help Labour build their policies so they can provide answers to todays problems. Many of the experts contacted were not kept engaged, after a first contact. Corbyn does not possess the leadership skills or have people around him that can help organise the Labour party.

 

Well then even more reason for those who resigned to get back in there and support the party in getting good policies through.

[obiter dictum]

At the end of the day Corbyn has won two leadership elections, the people have decided.

 

All MPs now need to get behind and suport that leader. If he fracs up and the majorioty electorate reject him than fine, history will be the judge, not fellow MPs or the media. Give the man a chance as the labour party has lost the last two elections under the Blairites

 

The labour party now has more members than any other political party in the whole of europe since he became leader. That is testament to how young people feel. The purge of people by the PLP in the vote was a disgrace to democracy. That was more than Owen Smith achieved in the whole ballot.

Edited September 25, 2016 by obiter dictum

[unclebulgaria67]

So if you got on a bus that was headed to go off Beechy Head or other cliff, you should stay on board, as the other passengers had voted to stay onboard with the driver.

 

It is up to sensible Labour MP's who have been voted in by over 9 million people in 2015, to decide on what is best for their constituents and the country. If this means plotting to oust Corbyn ASAP and to elect someone who can win the next election, that is what they should do.

 

Labour members who have joined since Corbyn first stood for the leadership are mostly from hard left organisations. If it were a genuine grassroots uprising that could swell to 12 million votes to win an election, it would be worth trying. But no one in their right minds can think that 12 million people are going to vote for a party led by Corbyn.

[Guest]

David Miliband ?..

they'll have to convince him back from the well paid wilderness

[obiter dictum]

I cannot understand why people say hard left organisations. This is no loger the 1970s though some people seem to be still living in it. Take for instance the Trade Unions, you can hardly call them left wing. I myself supported Corbyn because he is offering something different than the stale politics we have now. I am more liberal in my thinking than to the left of politics.

 

To say people who voted for corbyn are left wing commi is erroneous. That is like saying everyone who voted to leave the EU was a rampent xenophobic kipper. Let us keep some perspective on the debate and move away from the usual media spin and personal opinion and keep it objective

Edited September 25, 2016 by obiter dictum