Can Baillif company add all the fees before they visit newlyns & 2012 CTAX LO

[Peterbard]

Not clear what the debt is that they are chasing. Is it hceo work or fines, council tax etc?

Different interest calculations involved.

 

It is not interest it is a percentage sum.7.5% on over1500 none HCEO and 1000 on HCEO sched1 tcog fees 2014

[brassnecked]

Is this for this years council tax? For clarity and getting us all on the same hymnsheet. Did they send a Compliance Letter that they can charge £75 for first, or was the first communication with all fees added with no option to arrange payment before the visit and £235 chargeable?

[GrumpyToSayTheLeast]

It is not interest it is a percentage sum.7.5% on over1500 none HCEO and 1000 on HCEO sched1 tcog fees 2014

 

Changed it. Was typing on auto pilot.

[Bailiff Advice]

Well in my case the £75 fee added took it over the £1500 and interest was added (but did not add up correctly)

The £235 was added in the letter stating it was handed over to the EA, but before they had been to the property

I have found some info on the web

 

Quote

 

The schedule of taking control of goods (fees) regulations 2014

A bailiff comits fraud under section 1-5 of the Fraud Act 2006

If he has charged for work that has not been done.

HM government in the house of Lords 20th April 2007

and the Police can not treat the complaint as such as a civil mater.

 

There has never been one case yet of a bailiff being found guilty under the Fraud Act for charging for work that he has not done.

 

If you have a complaint about the fees charged, then you must make a complaint to the council and copy the enforcement agent.

[mikeymack2002]

Does anyone recognise the quote at post 15?

[Leakie]

Thanks BA

I understand what you are saying,

 

And I agree you should challenge the fees.with the council and the EA company

The letters were sent by the company not the actual EA

I thought the whole Idea was to make the fees transparent,

I did challenge the council, and was told to ask Newlyns as they had added the fees.

 

At the end of the day why have EA companies not been charged with fraud if they try it on, ok it is only a small amount but

if it were you or I we would be in trouble, or is there confusion as to how the fees are to be added.

 

Just a slight rewording of the letter stating that it had been sent to an EA and upon his visit the interest and the 2nd fee will be charged

 

but this is not what it stated

 

Most people do not understand how the fees are made up, as they have never looked into it.

 

leakie

[Leakie]

Brassnecked

 

Already had the first letter

it was for 2013-14

enforcement had been tried and was sent back to council( Equita failed)

 

Council reissued to Newlyns last year.

 

Leakie

[Peterbard]

OK

The 1500 limit refers to the amount owed to the creditor, they cannot add fees to this sum and say it pushed the sum owed into the over 1500 limit, because the sum which attracts added fees is calculated on the sum owed the creditor not the total amount t outstanding.

 

The amount which draws the additional charges is the difference between 1500 and the total amount due to the creditor,the amount on the warrant or order.

 

So even if they did they would only be over charging by about £20,Hardly time to call in the Sweeny.

[Leakie]

Thanks Dodgeball

 

Again I understand what you are saying,

As I said from the beginning I am playing devils advocate here.

the facts of what happen to me are correct,

 

My point is why should they get away with it . they must know they are in the wrong,

 

these companies deal with millions each year so if they get away with it it will add up to a tidy sum,

I agree it is such a small sum but the regs have not been followed

 

I thought the whole idea of the new regs was too make it easier to understand , for joe public

 

Leakie

[renegadeimp]

They know they are wrong, but many debtors dont know it and blindly pay. Couple that with the law and some regulations being biased towards them, and it wont change anytime soon

[letsmakeamark]

I was looking for a old thread where a company had tried this. However cant find it.

[Leakie]

Hi Letsmakeamark

 

Before the new regs they were doing it all the time,

But the law did nothing, so I guess nothing will change.

In one of my old threads Newlyns twisted the New regs so that they could charge interest on the amount owed,

and what ever way you try to work it out, it did not add up.

 

So looks like they will carry on getting away with it until the people who make the regulations decided otherwise.

 

What people forget is that a majority of people being chased for the debts want to pay but it is made impossible, with the time frame allowed by the councils,

Which I can understand, but when you add on all the fees

 

liability order average £95

EA 1 £75

EA 2 £235

 

soon adds up, and if they could not pay in the first place then how is this going to get the debt paid quicker.

 

 

My situation I ended up with a few LO's due to my circumstances that were beyond my control,

I wanted to pay but the council were not prepared to wait, or listen, so a majority of what I owe is in charges,

if they had listened and agreed a payment plan then most would have been paid by now,

with out the charges, so they are no better off.

 

Leakie

[Leakie]

Hi all

 

Has anyone heard of Ace 1 Couriers Ltd

 

Had a note through the door last night, but I am not expecting anything.

 

I can not find anything on the net apart from company details,

they do not seem to have there own website, which has made me a bit suspicious.

 

 

Leakie

[silverfox1961]

According to Companies house, they have only been around since April 2015 so they are registered. There is no information as yo what they really do. Shamil Zakki is a director who also runs Ace1 Marketing Ltd

 

I wonder if they have been set up to deliver court papers?

[Leakie]

Just to give anyone involved with Newlyns

 

They are using Ace 1 couriers ltd as a tracing company.

 

I had a note popped through the door last night,

and called the number but they were closed.

had a call this morning saying I left a message.

when questioned as I did not leave a message,

they became evasive.

Rang the number up from the call, and it turns out to be Newlyns.

 

Leaky

[Conniff]

ACE1 COURIERS LIMITED

71-75 SHELTON STREET

LONDON

UNITED KINGDOM

WC2H 9JQ

 

Shelton St is just a back lane.

 

That would appear to be a mail forwarding address so not their head office.

 

Be very suspicious especially if asked for any money, even just a couple of pounds. It's easy to set up a business and register it at companies house to give someone the appearance of being legitimate.

 

What did the note say ??

Edited March 15, 2016 by Conniff

[Leakie]

Hi SilverFox

 

I found the same as you,

I'm not expecting any court papers.

 

But just after me posting I had a call,

apparently I had left a message, last night,(I had not)

When I questioned the person they were evasive.

I am not expecting any packages.

 

I did a redial, and it turns out to be Newlyns Bailiff.

And yes unfortunately, I am expecting them.

but have ignored them for some time,

as I am trying to sort out with the council.

 

 

Leakie

 

Hi Contiff

 

The note said that they had tried to deliver today,

when the card was put through the door I was home.

 

as I said above I have found out it is Newlyns,

 

So it looks like a call is going to happen any time soon.

 

Leakie

[renegadeimp]

If newlyns are trying to pretend theyre another company ( unlikely) then they could be in very big trouble.

[citizenB]

Yes, they are not supposed to mislead in this way.

[citizenB]

2 threads merged into one - Bailiff forum

Edited March 15, 2016 by citizenB

[Leakie]

They certainly are Renegageimp

 

The number I called was a London Number,

I did did not leave a message, so there log just showed ny number ,

and this morning they called but the lady did not mention a package or letter.

 

and as I have said I did a redial, and got Newlyns,

this was a completely different number from the one dialled last night.

how could they be in trouble?

 

Leakie

[Leakie]

Thanks CitizenB

Posted in the other one as was not aware who they were at the time.

leakie

[citizenB]

[renegadeimp]

You need to think of a way to trick them into revealing more info. Then get it to the MoJ and to FCA.

[Leakie]

That could be a problem

 

You ring the couriers number , but they get back to you on there number.( Newlyns)

I never rang Newlyns and they never had my number.

What regs have they breached ?

Leakie