Parking Charge Notice from Civil Enforcement Ltd (Advice)

[phillylay]

Hi,

 

I received a notice from Civil Enforcement saying they have evidence of me Parking at 77 Clarendon Road in Watford opposite the Watford Junction station. This is true.

 

I was there 11 minutes, and waiting in the car to pick someone up around 6pm on a Sunday.

 

What would be my best option, as I have read people tend to ignore these notices and nothing happens. It is for £150 or £75 if paid within 14 days.

 

Any help would be much appreciated as this is my first instance of this kind of fine.

 

Regards

[Scouse Magic]

Is this private land or public highway?

Edited September 15, 2013 by Scouse Magic
wrong advice

[phillylay]

Is this private land or public highway?

 

I believe private land as they charge to park there? I wouldn't really know though.

 

This is why I'm worried as I thought id be ok just pulling up for 10 minutes waiting to pick a friend up.

 

Alot of people on forums are saying ignore it but is it worth the risk.

[Scouse Magic]

without posting private details, what does the notice say ?

[HAWC]

Here is a screenie of the car park from street view

[ATTACH=CONFIG]46449[/ATTACH]

[HAWC]

In the OP's post, hover over the word ignore and have a read

[phillylay]

without posting private details, what does the notice say ?

 

This was the notice.

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]46454[/ATTACH]

Edited September 15, 2013 by phillylay

[ericsbrother]

Were you parked- engine off, out of gear and handbrake applied (whether in car or not) or waiting-other than parked and in vehicle? If the latter it is easy to challenge INVOICE and if the former then you have plenty of suggestions on how to proceed on these forums.

[phillylay]

I was in a space. Engine ON. Hand brake ON. I was in the vehicle with 2 passengers also.

 

Majority are saying ignore, but I am too much of a worry wart and my luck I would end up coming off worse.

[ericsbrother]

Then you were not parked but waiting. Read their signs and see if they prohibit people waiting (cant see how, they might limit it to a certain time) and if there isnt anything specific then you can tell them that they cannot provide strict proof of parking and that the matter is now considered concluded.

[Nimrod205]

Did they say what "evidence" they have? As far as I am aware, that car park uses a telephone system to register that you are parking and no ANPR.

 

Just re checked. Seems like they might have ANPR - sorry for any confusion

[Homer67]

Don't over think this, it is an unenforceable invoice and nothing more, you can ignore unless you are one of the very few who receive stamped official court papers which you must not ignore, but you do need to come back here for the standard defense which easily bats the PPC out of court.

 

Alternatively hover your mouse over the word ignore and consider if you want to send the prove contract, provide breakdown of costs letter or (if you want to play) go down the POPLA appeals route which is a way of appealing to an independent body (except they ain't) which costs the PPC some cash and is binding on them but not on the driver

 

A word of warning, we have had a flurry of new posters giving incorrect advice recently, you would do well to heed only established posters.

[ericsbrother]

ANPR tells them you entered and left the car park and that is not sufficient under these circumstances. If you continue to get begging letters tell them this ans say that any claim will be stongly resisted. Dont physically sign your letters, just leave the sig typed.

[Sindy66]

I was in a space. Engine ON. Hand brake ON. I was in the vehicle with 2 passengers also.

 

Majority are saying ignore, but I am too much of a worry wart and my luck I would end up coming off worse.

 

I have received a similar notice under similar circumstances - I was waiting in my car, in this same car park on a Sunday afternoon. The passenger I was waiting for was delayed, so my wait was 35 minutes duration. But at no point did I leave the car. The fee requested by Civil Enforcement Ltd is £100 (presumably they have reduced it to this limit to comply with current guidance on the quantum of "reasonableness"?

 

I was just wondering how you got on with your situation? Did you ignore, challenge or pay up?

[themagician]

I have received a similar notice under similar circumstances - I was waiting in my car, in this same car park on a Sunday afternoon. The passenger I was waiting for was delayed, so my wait was 35 minutes duration. But at no point did I leave the car. The fee requested by Civil Enforcement Ltd is £100 (presumably they have reduced it to this limit to comply with current guidance on the quantum of "reasonableness"?

 

I was just wondering how you got on with your situation? Did you ignore, challenge or pay up?

never pay up until the pope tells you/or a judge.

[ericsbrother]

I would challenge. there are many interpretations of waiting compared to parking but to be honest it doesnt matter to you or them if you decide not to pay as they arent going to get the chance to argue.

CEL, as yet only threaten and then get Debt Recovery Plus to send you some more letters. If the wording of any future communication bothers you come back here with a new thread.

[Sindy66]

I would challenge. there are many interpretations of waiting compared to parking but to be honest it doesnt matter to you or them if you decide not to pay as they arent going to get the chance to argue.

CEL, as yet only threaten and then get Debt Recovery Plus to send you some more letters. If the wording of any future communication bothers you come back here with a new thread.

 

Thanks. I'm certainly not minded to pay them a penny.