Gross Misconduct

[Emmzzi]

Again, cannot comment as I don't know the minute detail. Have given my advice on how to handle it and been shouted down.

 

I suggest asking about the JSA on the specific benefits board where they will be more clued up?

[altobelli]

JSA will depend to an extent on the individual hearing your claim. You should have the opportunity to tell them your side of the disciplinary hearing and they might then call the employer to hear the other side. This is another reason why I am hesitant to recommend aplogising at disciplinaries - you're more likely to get JSA if there is some dispute over your treatment by the employer, apologising may be seen as an admission of guilt and for the purposes of JSA it may be decided that the employer's action was justified.

 

Re the different team leaders, you should bring that up at appeal - do you know who is going to be hearing the appeal?

[leedspete]

Spoke to someone else who HAS been sacked.They were sacked on the 28th and still haven't received their letter.In all there at 5 people involved in this incident.4 have been sacked 1 was not

[altobelli]

Sorry to hear that - that's not good news as far as demonstrating inconsistency at your appeal goes. The one person who wasn't sacked - are you aware of any reason why they might have been treated more leniently?

[leedspete]

Just that the reasons they gave were good enough

[altobelli]

Can you find out those reasons, and give them at the appeal?

[leedspete]

I'll try but as you say it isn't looking hopeful.All of a sudden i feel really sick

[altobelli]

Try not to stress about it if at all possible. For now, just concentrate on making the strongest possible case at your appeal.

[leedspete]

I have a union rep going in with me and he wasn't very impressed at the way they behaved

[altobelli]

That's also something which could be mentioned at the appeal.

[leedspete]

Still not received my confirmation of dismissal.How long should i wait and what action do I take if i don't receive confirmation?

[leedspete]

Have now received my letter but there isnt a address in there so i can appeal.I have also looked through the notes but i feel that they are not correct.

They are asking me to sign one and send a copy in.Do i do this even though i feel that they are not correct?

[Emmzzi]

No, you write your amendments and send as a separate note stating that they are in your recollection (and based on your won notes) a more accurate reflection of the discussion.

 

Don't not pick; stick to the important stuff.

[leedspete]

But my rep is away and they want the copies back in 2 days but they,also,haven't given me a address to send back to.

[Emmzzi]

You cannot write notes without a rep? They are asking about your recollection not your reps.

 

And I think you are being awkward pretending not to know where the office is or anyone's contact details. This is not the kind of technicality that wins at E.T.

[leedspete]

Ok you don't need to get personal with me.

[leedspete]

We do have 3 different addresses for the firm I worked for

[leedspete]

Also i need to discuss with my rep what he can remember what was said at the meeting as it was all a blur for me

[Emmzzi]

So call hr, ask which address, and ask if you can wait until your rep is back.

 

Do not mention things being a blur. "How do you know they aren't accurate if you can't remember?" Just state you would like to confirm a couple of points with his notes. They may refuse. They are allowed to refuse.

[leedspete]

No hr number on this letter either.Looks like i will have to phone person who sacked me.What happens if they refuse?

[Emmzzi]

And no addresses on any other correspondence? Theinvitation to meeting?

[Emmzzi]

If they refuse you can not return it; you can rely on your own memory. How long do you have to lodge an appeal?

[leedspete]

14 days.my rep is on holiday till the 18th but they have said they need it signed and back in 2 days.No addresses anywhere

[Emmzzi]

Well, you are going to have to use some common sense to make contact... I personally would want your reply before the 18th although In would delay the actual appeal hearing until your rep was back. Have you asked the union for someone else to help you write the appeal?

[leedspete]

I am not in a union nut he is a union rep that i know