anti-welfare rhetoric

[LaughingGirl]

I don't see any of them worth a vote....and that's bad

 

I feel the same way, Ruby. Not a good thing.

[estellyn]

I don't see any of them worth a vote....and that's bad

 

I'll be practical and vote tactically for labour - and hope that Ed milliband's left leaning philosophy comes out in government.

 

I do wonder if labour are playing a tactical game. With the Tory propoganda machine at work, the electorate at the moment is mainly centre-right, so they can't go too far to the left, or they won't get elected. I suppose we'll only find out if they win the next election - but quite frankly anything is better than right wing, and a vote for any other party is wasted when it comes to changing the government.

[worried33]

estellyn agreed.

 

Its quite possible labour are simple keeping quiet because they want to be electable, right now the press ie very anti 'social security', if labour say anything pro social security cameron and co will be all over it claiming they hate hard working families, and so many people have been brainwashed to think that social security is bankrupting the country. Its like how the tories stayed quiet about alot of their plans when not in power and their true face was revealed after the election.

[Consumer dude]

My votes on the nut house..

[antone]

I'll be practical and vote tactically for labour - and hope that Ed milliband's left leaning philosophy comes out in government.

 

I do wonder if labour are playing a tactical game. With the Tory propoganda machine at work, the electorate at the moment is mainly centre-right, so they can't go too far to the left, or they won't get elected. I suppose we'll only find out if they win the next election - but quite frankly anything is better than right wing, and a vote for any other party is wasted when it comes to changing the government.

 

These are all interesting points. Of course, where I live it's all kinda academic.

[estellyn]

These are all interesting points. Of course, where I live it's all kinda academic.

 

Yes, I wish for PR, when every vote will count, but sadly, I doubt my wish will come true in my lifetime.

[Consumer dude]

estellyn agreed.

 

Its quite possible labour are simple keeping quiet because they want to be electable, right now the press ie very anti 'social security', if labour say anything pro social security cameron and co will be all over it claiming they hate hard working families, and so many people have been brainwashed to think that social security is bankrupting the country. Its like how the tories stayed quiet about alot of their plans when not in power and their true face was revealed after the election.

 

To be honest with you it matters not who's in power. They all appear to be serving themselves..

[LaughingGirl]

I'll be practical and vote tactically for labour - and hope that Ed milliband's left leaning philosophy comes out in government.

 

I do wonder if labour are playing a tactical game. With the Tory propoganda machine at work, the electorate at the moment is mainly centre-right, so they can't go too far to the left, or they won't get elected. I suppose we'll only find out if they win the next election - but quite frankly anything is better than right wing, and a vote for any other party is wasted when it comes to changing the government.

 

Very sensible. Maybe I'm getting too cynical...

[estellyn]

To be honest with you it matters not who's in power. They all appear to be serving themselves..

 

Sometimes it's a matter of having to choose the lesser of the evils....

[Consumer dude]

Sometimes it's a matter of having to choos

e the lesser of the evils....

 

You mean the devil or the devils son ?

[estellyn]

You mean the devil or the devils son ?

 

When you're suffering, even a little less suffering is better in comparison.

 

'labour - not quite as bad as the other guys' I think I've got their new slogan!

[Consumer dude]

When you're suffering, even a little less suffering is better in comparison.

 

That sounds hopeful I guess. Sometimes its just so difficult to trust any of them..

[Surfer01]

You mean the devil or the devils son ?

Both titles are already allocated to George IDS as per the title of his book!

[dyfed]

Hopefully, that's sarcasm - UKIP in power would make the Tories look liberal - all of their policies are about what would benefit the rich and business the most.

 

The left right paradigm is an illusion. We dont live in a democracy. We live in a plutocracy, some say even a cleptocracy.

Everyone should be aware, by now, that the country is not ran by politicians. This is even more apparent in UNITED STATES where you have large lobby groups camped on capitol hill.

Can everyone remember when a city trader shocked bbc news reporters with the revolation that bankers rule the world. He is right. Too big too fail, bail them using billions of tax payers money. These banks and large multi nationals dictate to government what is going to happen, hell they even tell the tax man how much tax they gonna pay. Many of these rich elite tend to end up in the house of lords or mps end up on their boards. They are all related, one way or another. Thick as thieves if you like. How many unemployed people have been around to number 10 to enjoy dinner with our beloved PM?

They are all in it together. So while us peasents pay, they get richer and rule the country. We havent really moved out from the middle ages. Its still serfdom britain. The have and the have nots.

 

Will the queen pay bedroom tax? Is your mp paying bedroom tax on his second home payed for by you and me. You dont have to work to pay taxes. If you are an unemployed smoking alchoholic you may be paying more tax than a city banker. So the next time a hard working tax payer tries to take the moral high ground just remind them of that.

 

As they say, rant over and thanks for reading

[RaeUK]

Antone, I understand the 'kinda academic' comment entirely. Here's my area ...

[worried33]

To be honest with you it matters not who's in power. They all appear to be serving themselves..

 

or rather the same hidden master. Looking out for themselves at the same time of course since they always seem to get jobs at companies they help out afterwards.

 

Times I wonder if the old king/queen long term leader thing is a better arrangement because knowing you in power for life means you have to plan to keep people happy for a long time not just long enough for your election term.

[Surfer01]

 

Will the queen pay bedroom tax? Is your mp paying bedroom tax on his second home payed for by you and me. You dont have to work to pay taxes. If you are an unemployed smoking alchoholic you may be paying more tax than a city banker. So the next time a hard working tax payer tries to take the moral high ground just remind them of that.

I don't think the MPs have council houses and neither does the Queen?

[Crazy Diamond]

I don't think the MPs have council houses and neither does the Queen?

 

The bedroom tax doesn't only apply to council houses.

[antone]

Antone, I understand the 'kinda academic' comment entirely. Here's my area ...

 

Heck, your area's even worse than mine.

[dasis16]

as has been said in other posts there is going to be serious consequences to all this, I am by no means as educated some who have commented on this thread, but I am one who is already suffering at the hands of this govt and am actually in fear of what is to come, plan a) see what happens plan b) overdose. feel guilty at plan b, my family would be heartbroken, but who wants to live being judged, no hope, no money, no future, no life. I can only pray something will happen to change course, but have little faith of that being the case.

 

I certainly have a similar plan b, of harming myself and turning up at hospital if I ever need a bed. I won't actually kill myself (i don't think), as that would be making it too easy for the politicians in charge. Frankly I'm convinced they'd be happier if I did off myself.

[Surfer01]

The bedroom tax doesn't only apply to council houses.

 

Then I wonder how the MPs will manipulate the system to avoid paying the bedroom tax as most seem to buy 3 bedroom houses so technically you have three spare bedrooms as the second home is not permanent. This raises the question about people who have second homes as holiday homes and have spare bedrooms?

[Guest]

well that's easy for the MPs they just "forget" and if they don't forget they just lie...cover each others backs and drag on that way, thieves in suits in power........imo

[osdset]

Then I wonder how the MPs will manipulate the system to avoid paying the bedroom tax as most seem to buy 3 bedroom houses so technically you have three spare bedrooms as the second home is not permanent. This raises the question about people who have second homes as holiday homes and have spare bedrooms?

 

 

There seems to be some confusion here, the bedroom tax only applies to those in receipt of housing benefit, not those who can afford to pay full rent/mortgage from their salary.

[Guest]

or their expenses......how convenient

[worried33]

My guess is the MPs dont see expenses as welfare so probably dont have a spare room rule.

 

CrazyDiamond is right housingbenefit already has a spare room tax, if you rent privately and have excesiive rooms (which I do now under new legislation) then housing benefit is reduced accordingly, and the reduction is usually more severe than the published ones for council houses.