anti-welfare rhetoric

[osdset]

Sue Ryder, helping the sick by exploiting them. http://www.facebook.com/SueRyderNational

[Consumer dude]

its a scary scenario, and yes i have heard people voicing that something will have to give as it will not be stood for, albeit from overheard chats whilst getting prescriptions and needs only shopping, these are the real people talking, the sufferers who have had enough and can see things only worsening.

 

There are also too many people now chasing fewer resources. The powers that be depend on ordinary people fighting each other. More people are waking up to the con and hopefully will unite with each other..

[Guest]

I really hope so

[Consumer dude]

If you think your comfortable today, don't worry you will be tomorrow's poor..

[Consumer dude]

UK = Uprising kingdom. Watch this space..

[Guest]

designing my banner

[worried33]

Devide and rule my friend.

Can you remember the public sector vs private sector.

Now its strivers vs skivers. This does not mean skivers vs workers because everyone claiming any benefit to top up their low wages is in the crosshairs for cuts.

Its a one way street to poverty.

 

My theory is that the millionaire torys want a large work program army to be used as slaves for the profit of rich private sector companies.

The stock market is at a record high at the moment. These companies are making huge profits using free labour paid for by tax payers.

Britain is now a serfdom nation.

 

Indeed, when cameron uses the word strivers he really means those earning enough to not need any topup, but he wont say this as it works for him that anyone on min wage, part time etc. thinks he is backing them. There is still this belief amongst the rich that they get in their position purely through hard work, and that anyone who earns less or anyone who has a bad disability must be due to lazyness.

[worried33]

What about david cameron , who is by no means poor, claimed Disability Living Allowance?

 

In any case, they do not compare to his enormous and still little-known claims for mortgage interest on his substantial country house near Witney

 

i have always wondered whether he really needed to borrow £350,000, or indeed needed a house at all in a constituency only 70 miles from Parliament.

 

Thats roughly £1,700 a month in mortgage interest payments on that house, for eight long years. We might call this payment ‘Parliamentary Housing Benefit’.

 

who realy is the work shy scrounger milking the system for all he can get, after all, ‘all being in it together’ seems a bit hollow

 

The papers seem to pick and choose who they name and shame, the recent ones been lib dem and labour MP's.

[worried33]

all this is IDS's fault, he is a sick man with an obsession with making the poor poorer..in the animal world an animal as sick as this man would be put down, get rid of IDS and get rid of the disease

 

The problem is this damage is chronic or at the very least long term.

 

He is removing things that have took decades to put in place, a new government isnt going to just instantly put it all back. I agree he should go and is an evil man but I am afraid the damage is with us for a long time now.

[joeski]

The problem is this damage is chronic or at the very least long term.

 

He is removing things that have took decades to put in place, a new government isnt going to just instantly put it all back. I agree he should go and is an evil man but I am afraid the damage is with us for a long time now.

 

what comes around goes around so all this will come back to haunt IDS and i seriously hope he is made to pay big time!!

[osdset]

Indeed, when cameron uses the word strivers he really means those earning enough to not need any topup, but he wont say this as it works for him that anyone on min wage, part time etc. thinks he is backing them. There is still this belief amongst the rich that they get in their position purely through hard work, and that anyone who earns less or anyone who has a bad disability must be due to lazyness.

 

There is also the concept of entitlement, many of the 'old money' wealthy feel that they are by virtue of entitlement, superior in every way to the 'common' man/woman,and are entitled to the Lions share of the honey pot. Unfortunately for the British public many of our politicians fall under this category, cosseted rich kids with no concept of what real work means in the real world, an ideologically driven group hell bent on maintaining their own and their friends lavish lifestyles, and dressing the cost as 'reform'.

[Guest]

absolutely osdset

[Surfer01]

Maybe IDS should be looked at more closely to see what his expenses are and whether he is claiming any mortgages etc. Where is his normal place of residence as he is MP for Chingford which I think is in London? I remember in 2003 he was kicked out as leader of the opposition with a vote of no confidence.

Has any one read his novel "The Devil's Tune"? This about John Grande, a struggling London art dealer, is thrown what he thinks is a lifeline when he is given the opportunity of handling a collection of rare masters, housed in a villa above the cliffs of Positano in Italy. There, on the beach, he briefly encounters Laura Buckley, the glamorous producer of New York's most prestigious TV news programme. Neither could know that their lives were to become linked in a terrifying web of intrigue and deceit. Set on both sides of the Atlantic, Iain Duncan Smith's debut novel is an ingenious fast-paced thriller with an intriguing cast of characters reaching the highest level of office. All are being controlled and manipulated by a powerful, evil man seeking revenge for incidents reaching back to World War Two, involving art thefts, possible Nazi collaboration and murder...his actions prove to be explosive.

 

Perhaps it is a reflection on the type of person he is behind the scenes. An evil and manipulative person. He claimed to have studied at the University of Perugia but the BBC found this to be false. He did attend another Italian university, but it seems he flunked out and never made the grades. Duncan-Smith's biography, on the Conservative Party website, claimed he was "educated at Dunchurch College of Management" but following questioning by the BBC his office confirmed that he did not get any qualifications there either, stating that he completed six separate courses lasting a few days each, adding up to about a month in total. Seems he likes to lie on his CV?

Seems he spent a fair bit of time peddling guns and other armaments and on more than one occasion claimed unemployment. Eventually eh sold gun related magazines. Seems he is still gunning for the poor and vulnerable. In November 2001, he was one of the first politicians to call for an invasion of Iraq.

In October 2003. Michael Crick revealed that he had compiled embarrassing evidence, this time of dubious salary claims Duncan Smith made on behalf of his wife that were paid out of the public purse from September 2001 to December 2002. The ensuing scandal, known as "Betsygate" weakened his already tenuous position. He can lie and cheat the public purse, but comes down tough on people who have a legitimate claim.

How can someone with this sort of background be appointed to dictate policies to the unemployed, sick and vulnerable?

[Guest]

well that's a revelation...hmmmm

[estellyn]

Yes, what us good, honest, hardworking people see as dodgy business dealings and immoral tactics, a rich person sees as entrepreneurship and strategic PR. What we see as trying to make sure we have enough money to eat, and keep a home, the rich see as skiving and sponging. Hmmm, another question, what's more reprehensible - doing something dodgy so you can afford that multi million pound home you've had your eye on, or doing something dodgy so you can afford to pay your heating bill?

 

The reality is that most claimants are honest and would much rather not be claiming. Most of those committing small scale benefit fraud that I've met, are not doing it to be rich, but so that they can pay bills or get their kids something for christmas. Most rich people's dodgy dealings are purely to acquire more money which they don't need - pure greed. I know which I'm more sympathetic to.

[Guest]

I wish I had the intelligence, I have the guts, to make a hell of a public stink up ...

[osdset]

The whole parliamentary system is a corrupt house of cards filled with highwaymen, beggars, thieves, and liars. Never mind welfare reform it's parliament that's overdue for reform, there is hardly a politician of any colour that has a clean sheet.

 

It's not just parliament but the judicial system as well, examples such as the contemptible Jeffrey Archer and the corrupt judge(Mr Justice Caulfield) that tried to sway the jury with comments such as "Remember Mary Archer in the witness-box. Your vision of her probably will never disappear. Has she elegance? Has she fragrance? Would she have, without the strain of this trial, radiance? How would she appeal? Has she had a happy married life? Has she been able to enjoy, rather than endure, her husband Jeffrey?" he then went on to say of Archer "Is he in need of cold, unloving, rubber-insulated sex in a seedy hotel round about quarter to one on a Tuesday morning after an evening at the Caprice?"

 

Archer was subsequently found guilty of perjury and received four years

 

The tip of the iceberg

 

How many more Archers and Huhne's are there that have yet to see the inside of a court of law? I fully expect history to remember this government and it's arch villains Cameron, IDS, Freud , Grayling, Hoban et al for what they are, murdering thieves.

 

If there was any kind of natural justice in this country, the whole crew would face a trial on par with Nuremberg.

[Surfer01]

This is the same man that is calling every one on benefits a "Liar" and a "Cheat", but it is okay for him to "lie" on his CV about his credentials and it is okay for him to "cheat" the system. He would still be cheating it if he had not been caught out!

I wonder why this has not been picked up by newspapers like Daily Mail, The Sun, Express etc? Labour are obviously keeping very quiet about it as they seem to agree with the reforms which makes the Tories look like the badies and they get off scot free as we all know that they will not change anything if they came into power!

Maybe someone should write to their Labour MP and query why the Labour party has not mention the lying and cheating IDS? Actually did you know that his full name is NOT Iain Duncan Smith but George Iain Duncan Smith. Why does he prefer to be called by his middle names. He seems to be very devious so perhaps he prefers to use IDS as he has something to hide in the past because he knows people will do a search on IDS and George IDS.

[osdset]

This is the same man that is calling every one on benefits a "Liar" and a "Cheat", but it is okay for him to "lie" on his CV about his credentials and it is okay for him to "cheat" the system. He would still be cheating it if he had not been caught out!

I wonder why this has not been picked up by newspapers like Daily Mail, The Sun, Express etc? Labour are obviously keeping very quiet about it as they seem to agree with the reforms which makes the Tories look like the badies and they get off scot free as we all know that they will not change anything if they came into power!

Maybe someone should write to their Labour MP and query why the Labour party has not mention the lying and cheating IDS? Actually did you know that his full name is NOT Iain Duncan Smith but George Iain Duncan Smith. Why does he prefer to be called by his middle names. He seems to be very devious so perhaps he prefers to use IDS as he has something to hide in the past because he knows people will do a search on IDS and George IDS.

 

Labour have done themselves irreparable damage with their complicity, I for one will never forget how the Labour party sacrificed their beliefs on the altar of welfare reform, this is one former supporter that will never vote Labour again.

[Crazy Diamond]

Find out the difference between a Social Security System and Welfare and post back!

 

Apart from the semantics, you mean? None whatsoever. Semantically, however...

 

Social Security - READ the two words. Understand what they contain. It's "security", so safety, a net, protection. "Social" = part of our society, something we all belong to. "Social Security" is inclusive, it's the opposite of the "something for nothing" message IDS and his media drones are hammering over and over. "Social Security" harks back to a time of unions, where people pay their dues and then get help if and when they fall on hard times. It contains the same key-word as "social contract", has the same language roots as "socialist", so is anathema to the "elite" which would rather eradicate anything to do with the lower classes helping each other.

 

"Welfare", on the other hand, is despicable. Being on welfare is a term first coined in the USA and it carries with it visions of food coupons, handouts, leeching from the system, taking but never giving back or even putting in first. It has no apparent correlation to the money we have paid in through our National Insurance contributions (remember them? the other part of the social contract) and taxes.

 

Being on Social Security means falling on hard times can happen to anyone, welfare means you have chosen a lifetime of mediocrity of laziness. The 2 terms encapsulate the strivers v scroungers rhetoric, although rhetoric is probably too nice, "propaganda" is more accurate, and that is why we should fight the easy to say label "welfare" and insist on using the words "Social Security", because if we forget to, soon we will only be left with their definition of welfare and will lose our social security, literally.

[joeski]

it looks to me like labour, tories and lib dems are all destroying one another, hopefully this will fuel the rise of UKIP

[Guest]

they are certainly all showing themselves and each for what they really are. labour were in power in 2009 when I had my first atossers messical.

[Consumer dude]

Come back guy Fawkes, all is forgiven..

[estellyn]

it looks to me like labour, tories and lib dems are all destroying one another, hopefully this will fuel the rise of UKIP

 

Hopefully, that's sarcasm - UKIP in power would make the Tories look liberal - all of their policies are about what would benefit the rich and business the most.

[Guest]

I don't see any of them worth a vote....and that's bad