Poll Tax 2 even bigger cuts to Council Tax benefit

[worried33]

I think the law says need to live on value for IB Included The Disability Premium of £30.35 a week.

 

I am not sure if this is also for ESA. If it isnt I might now be a lower applicable amount. Meaning in 2013 for council tax I have a higher excess income. In which case I will switch to income related ESA. Since I qualiy for that as well.

 

Looks like IB to ESA had a backdoor cut.

 

When I previously moaned on here about been worse off on CB IB vs IS based IB I was told it evens out because of the Disability Premium applicable amount.

 

But it looks like ESA WRAG has no premium at all and SG only has Enhanced Disability Premium which is less than The Disability Premium by over half.

 

So on IB the applicable amount is £101.35 per week.

On ESA WRAG it is £71 so the entire WRAG component is excess income.

On ESA SG it is £85.80. So someone on IB ESA will be over the applicable amount but because they on a passport benefit they get max HB and CTB. But someone on CB ESA even tho they have the same income will get reduced HB and CTB.

 

Am I right?

 

Based on this I think I will be going up to about £34 a month in council tax.

Edited February 24, 2013 by worried33

[id6052]

worried33

 

thanks for advising which band you are in, i cant find 2013/14 rates for leicester, so using current rates

 

gross CT charge for band A for 2012/13 was approximately £970 per annum

 

after discount it would be £727.50 per annum

 

this equates to weekly charge of £13.95 - so this would equate to you having £2.79 CT support reduction per week (or approximately £145.50 per annum)

 

this reduction would be on top of anything you would normally have paid

[worried33]

worried33

 

thanks for advising which band you are in, i cant find 2013/14 rates for leicester, so using current rates

 

gross CT charge for band A for 2012/13 was approximately £970 per annum

 

after discount it would be £727.50 per annum

 

this equates to weekly charge of £13.95 - so this would equate to you having £2.79 CT support reduction per week (or approximately £145.50 per annum)

 

this reduction would be on top of anything you would normally have paid

 

Ok but you see I also gone from IB to ESA SG.

 

Am I right the applicable amounts are reduced on ESA SG signifcantly? So now also my excess income has jumped up. Looks like a cut via the back door.

[estellyn]

I think the law says need to live on value for IB Included The Disability Premium of £30.35 a week.

 

I am not sure if this is also for ESA. If it isnt I might now be a lower applicable amount. Meaning in 2013 for council tax I have a higher excess income. In which case I will switch to income related ESA. Since I qualiy for that as well.

 

Looks like IB to ESA had a backdoor cut.

 

When I previously moaned on here about been worse off on CB IB vs IS based IB I was told it evens out because of the Disability Premium applicable amount.

 

But it looks like ESA WRAG has no premium at all and SG only has Enhanced Disability Premium which is less than The Disability Premium by over half.

 

So on IB the applicable amount is £101.35 per week.

On ESA WRAG it is £71 so the entire WRAG component is excess income.

On ESA SG it is £85.80. So someone on IB ESA will be over the applicable amount but because they on a passport benefit they get max HB and CTB. But someone on CB ESA even tho they have the same income will get reduced HB and CTB.

 

Am I right?

 

 

The normal rates of both cb esa and ib esa are at the applicable amount for hb/ctb, so no problem - except if you're awarded transitional protectional of a higher amount of cb ESA due to being on a high rate of incap, in which case you would be above the applicable amount for hb/ctb.

[worried33]

The normal rates of both cb esa and ib esa are at the applicable amount for hb/ctb, so no problem - except if you're awarded transitional protectional of a higher amount of cb ESA due to being on a high rate of incap, in which case you would be above the applicable amount for hb/ctb.

 

Ok so the compinents are treated as applicable amounts thanks.

 

Is the EDP on top of that?

 

I just read this.

 

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/esa-claimants-and-housing-benefit

 

I am now very confused should I be getting EDP payments as well?

[id6052]

ignore this comment

[Nystagmite]

Ok so the compinents are treated as applicable amounts thanks.

 

Is the EDP on top of that?

 

I just read this.

 

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/esa-claimants-and-housing-benefit

 

I am now very confused should I be getting EDP payments as well?

 

Do you have a partner who works or savings?

[estellyn]

Ok so the compinents are treated as applicable amounts thanks.

 

Is the EDP on top of that?

 

I just read this.

 

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/esa-claimants-and-housing-benefit

 

I am now very confused should I be getting EDP payments as well?

 

Only once on ESA support group if entitled to income based to top up your cb esa. If you're still on incap, then no not yet.

[Guest]

age addition IB? whats that? I have never heard of it

[id6052]

to be entitled to EDP, traditionally you had to be in receipt of DLA care at highest rate

 

however if you are in support group for ESA: -

 

• you can get it within ESA(ir), HB or CTB
  
• you cannot get it in IB or ESA©
  

[id6052]

this seems to now be steering away from CTB, so would suggest a separate thread for ESA issues

[worried33]

this seems to now be steering away from CTB, so would suggest a separate thread for ESA issues

 

Ok I will make a new thread on the EDP payments.

 

But does EDP still apply for HB/CTB calculation on CB ESA?

 

The disability premium did apply on my HB when I was on contribution IB.

 

also to Ruby_Tuesday age addition is when you below a certian age on long term IB there was an extra topup payment.

[Guest]

oh I see thanks worried33

[Guest]

I cant see if having to pay council tax out of benefit, if the amount of benefit paid is the amount the law says a claimant needs to live on, can really be argued as they say it has to cover all living expenses? bills included? so no way is it illegal to impose this charge?

or am I missing a point?

[Consumer dude]

What's council tax. lol..

[estellyn]

Ok I will make a new thread on the EDP payments.

 

But does EDP still apply for HB/CTB calculation on CB ESA?

 

 

Yes, but if you were entitled to the EDP on HB/CTB, (and are single with no other income) then you would be entitled to income based esa top up to your cb esa.

[Guest]

its all tooooo much for my little brain.......

[45002]

What's council tax. lol..

 

This

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?380161-Legal-obligation-to-supply-information

 

 

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I am on ESA SG with IB topup.

 

So £110.85

 

So your one of the lucky one's then £110.85 be thankful for that....

 

I read on a lot of forums people on ESA only getting £71.00 a week !

Edited February 24, 2013 by 45002

[Nystagmite]

This

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?380161-Legal-obligation-to-supply-information

 

 

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So your one of the lucky one's on £110.85 be thankful for that

 

I read on a lot of forums people on ESA only getting £71.00 a week !

 

And £56.25 for those of us under 25. Only meant to get it for the first 12 weeks; got it for around 22 weeks.

[worried33]

Do you have a partner who works or savings?

 

no.

[worried33]

I cant see if having to pay council tax out of benefit, if the amount of benefit paid is the amount the law says a claimant needs to live on, can really be argued as they say it has to cover all living expenses? bills included? so no way is it illegal to impose this charge?

or am I missing a point?

 

There is a law where that income cant be taxed. But its obviously a grey area as things like VAT seem legal on it.

[worried33]

This

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?380161-Legal-obligation-to-supply-information

 

 

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So your one of the lucky one's then £110.85 be thankful for that....

 

I read on a lot of forums people on ESA only getting £71.00 a week !

 

lucky or not lucky? currently I got a huge shortfall on housing costs due to a 30% cut in my HB. I dont have a partner or other billpayer in my house.

[worried33]

Yes, but if you were entitled to the EDP on HB/CTB, (and are single with no other income) then you would be entitled to income based esa top up to your cb esa.

 

Ok thanks so basically I need to chase it up I guess.

[Guest]

watching this with interest...hoping someone will find a nice loophole lol

[45002]

 

I am on ESA SG with IB topup.

 

So £110.85

 

 

 

lucky or not lucky? currently I got a huge shortfall on housing costs due to a 30% cut in my HB. I dont have a partner or other billpayer in my house.

 

 

£110.85,so what about the people on 71.00 a week esa/jsa or under 25's on even less who are going to face a short fall of 30% or more,IA,Im more worried about them ...

 

your still lucky than most people !