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Same here with me, as soon as diagnosed my employer treat me like a lepper. Said it was dangerous for me to have seizures at work and to go home. One place I asked out of interest if the would employ such as me, said we will look into it, but I dont think I will let you drive the forklifts and laughed at me. My application never got replied or acknowledged. They later told me they had concerns about employees with mental and neurological conditions due to health and safetly.

 

I was honest about my condition and not fit to work but still applied, what help all those years ago was I given?

 

Told to hide the fact I could be at risk of daily seizures in the work place. Dont worry they said, they might like you.

 

Rollocks. I have since deteriated and fed up of jumping through hoops which makes me feel like ****.

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going back to the title of the thread,my daughter(18)finishes school next month and i`m worried about whats going to happen to her,to further what she`s already studied (which she wants to do)(animal welfare)the nearest college is 2 and a half hours away (by bus),no jobs at local jobcentre,so after all her studying she could well end up doing what,working for the community for approx £60 per week,she`s really got alot to look forward to

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My son has said he would go to army or air force when 19 and college before that. He hopes to be an electrician working on the planes, not a bad goal.

 

I think it is a worry though for parents. I have no problems with people working in the community if necessary, but and heres the but, they should be paid the going rate, untill they find something they want to do.

 

If they cant afford to pay the going rate to fill these new jobs then that is slave labour and will alienate the young especially.

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Where I am the schools and the council failed to organise job work experience for 14 year olds, it was a farce. In the end the kids ended up doing jobs in the school carrying things, canteen and library. They were supposed to be liasing with john lewis, mc donalds, supermarkets etc, they couldnt pull if of and on the day of starting, the kids were told to go to school as normal.

 

My son became poorly and I noticed from others the attendance rate was apparantly very very low at school. Shoddy organisation and people swicth off.

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Anti-Slavery Day Act

Introduced by Conservative MP Anthony Steen, this started off as a Bill to introduce a national day to raise awareness of the need to rid all forms of modern day slavery. This become law on the 8th April 2010. The intention is to raise awareness amongst young people and others of the dangers and consequences of slavery, human trafficking and exploitation and encourage them to be proactive in the fight against it;

It also draws attention to the progress made by government and those working to combat all forms of slavery, human trafficking and exploitation,

 

The regulations (Jobseeker’s Allowance (Work for Your Benefit Pilot Scheme) Regulations 2010)

The Work for Your Benefit provision will be for customers receiving Jobseekers Allowance and will be tested in pilot areas from October 2010.

The Work for Your Benefit scheme is a mandatory employment programme with the sanctions regime operating in the same way as that applicable during Flexible New Deal. The sanctions regime will be delivered by Jobcentre Plus.

Benefit sanctions of up to 26 weeks are available to those who refuse to accept or take up a place on the scheme after being notified by Jobcentre Plus staff or fail to accept or take up a place on the Work for Your Benefit (workfare) scheme after being notified by Jobcentre Plus staff:x

 

Here's the maths on this.

Work for Your Benefit is Slavery | Flexible New Deal Provider Information & Flexible New Deal Scandal

 

i think my post has turned to a slanging match Lol, now can it go back to the subject in hand....:grin:

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At the risk of being unpopular, SeriousFred does have a point... sorry.

 

Anyone who seriously believes that the Benefits system is not being milked for all it's worth by a vast number of individuals who have no intention of ever working for as long as they can get away with it, is living a very blinkered existence. Having said that, I've claimed Benefits for a lengthy time myself in past years for similar reasons; simply because there weren't any jobs that paid a living wage as opposed to paying a wage that merely propped up the wage of someone else, which was no good to me..... so it's a complex argument and there are reasons why people do it based on Gov. policy decisions. During the years that I was claiming, I was reluctant to come off Benefits myself and either.... struggle on less income than "the law says" is enough to live on (DWP jargon) or... run the risk of a temporary contract running out and having to go through the whole rigmorale again.... so I stayed on Benefits right up until my daughter was 16 (the law has changed in that respect though, I've since learned).

 

I've come across huge numbers of people both in my personal and professional world (I've been in work for a number of years now) who just won't come off Benefits because it's not cost-effective for them to do so.... and they stay in the system any way they can.... but this often has detrimental effects which the Gov. has now started to realise. In the school where I work for example, there are whole families of "disabled" parents who are healthy enough to get jiggy and keep on churning out more and more children, who they then claim for, in order to stay in the system.... but who don't/won't work because the DWP pay them more to stay at home in one capacity or another. These children grow up neglected, unsocialised and eventually end up on the ever-heaving SEN register for a range of behavioural disorders linked to the fact that they're not socialised properly, stuck in front of a video games console for hours until their brains are mush and fed on rubbish; visually and nutritionally.

 

Apologies if this post offends anyone with a genuine disabililty.... but I have trouble believing that we have such a large amount of disabled people in this country just as much as I have trouble accepting that there are so many kids with "special" needs. I have recently turned around a class of 12 alleged no-hope children into responsible Yr. 11 boys who will be leaving school on the next few weeks and going to college. It's a shame that they had to wait until ages 15/16 before they were taught how to think and form sensible opinions for themselves and it's been a tough 2 years with them. None of their parents work.... Slightly off topic, but relevant nevertheless....

 

People like these have helped to ruin a system for genuinely disabled people and genuine SEN kids to such an extent that the goal posts are very difficult to reach for Benefits such as DLA.... and Incapacity Benefit has now been re-named (like others before it) into the more psychologically intimidating ESA as well.... implying that people are only allowed to have it now instead of it being an entitlement. The Gov. is trying to tackle the problem without tackling the cause, in my opinion.... which penalises everyone on Benefits in the process

 

Sad times....

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Good thoughts, PriorityOne. Do you have any ideas on how to tackle the cause though? I have heard talk about people who play the system and do pretty well by that, but I never saw how it could be done, even if I'd wanted to.

 

I'm pleased you're back on your feet now. HB

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I am sure there are lots of people milking the benefit system but look at what has trickled down from the top of heap MP's. None the MP's has clean hands they all have been in the pot and are the biggest lot of cheats going. Milking everything for all its worth. Their greedy has trickled down all the way to other public organization that we pay for ie local government, big salaries for the top 8 people in each borough as well as the next lot down Directors and managers. Even the bbc that we pay all the them are making load of money from us as well. All organization that is public funded is money there for these people to take and they are not shy in doing so as well.

 

We now have 2 public school boys at the top now that we decide what they will take from us.

 

I give up and I think I will immigrate but I am sure no country will have me due to been a pensioner.

 

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Good thoughts, PriorityOne. Do you have any ideas on how to tackle the cause though? I have heard talk about people who play the system and do pretty well by that, but I never saw how it could be done, even if I'd wanted to.

 

I'm pleased you're back on your feet now. HB

 

Jobs that pay a living wage for everyone able to work....

 

As this is unlikely to happen though, I can't think of any other way of dealing with this issue that won't hurt genuine claimants. Neither can the Gov. apparently :cool: .

 

Until someone does though, we're damaging the next generation..... and the problem will get worse until the Benefits system really can't cope at all...

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I am sure there are lots of people milking the benefit system but look at what has trickled down from the top of heap MP's. None the MP's has clean hands they all have been in the pot and are the biggest lot of cheats going. Milking everything for all its worth.

 

Absolutely right... but they don't pick on their own kind 8-)... much easier to pick on the vulnerable and stir up a panic in the media about the lower classes being feckless. A lot of them are (see above post) but they're also trapped in a system that rewards them for that fecklessness....

 

The Gov. are so stupid it beggars belief! :rolleyes:

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I remain completely optimistic that there is a formula that works. That we haven't found it simply means we must look harder.

Nobody who is genuinely disabled and long term sick wants to be lumped in the same basket as those working the system [no pun intended].

The system that has now been foisted upon us is simply too unwielding and lacks intelligence and compassion.

What has been missing is proper widescale consultation with us, the enduser of the system. We are seen as 'customers' and 'clients' then our opinion must be sought.

There can never be a 'one size fits all' approach which does not fail someone. We just need to figure out how to minimise that but maximise the number of 'don't want to works' who are lifted out of our midst.

If, in the fullness of time, we need to try and mobilise, to actively protest as best we can, than that gives us the opportunity to say to the DWP "Stop playing God" and talk to us...

Just my own little niave thoughts...

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Up until 3 years ago both my husband and I were in full-time employment in good jobs. My husband then started to lose use of his legs then left arm. Within a couple of months he was diagnosed with a progressive neurological condition- game over.

 

He was medically retired and now claims DLA- care and mobility at higher rate. I am still working and we get no means tested benefits- nor should we as I can still work.

 

However as my husband is either in a motorised wheelchair or bed, and can only move his right hand I fear for the future. There is surely no way that he can work. He has carers 4 times a day just to get up/washed/eat etc.

 

Im a bit of a lurker on the debt boards usually

 

Sheena:(

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These GP and other medical professional has no problems in having patient with dementia locked up 24/7 because they do not want to spend money on helping them, most of the mobile people with dementia has short term memory problems but they are locked in 24/7 with this conditions. At present there are a million with dementia in the UK and it is getting more and more every day. These people are locked up in care homes all human right taken away from them, they are abused as well because of their short term memory loss and because of that they cannot tell anyone because they have forgotten about the abuse they do feel the pain however. As they do recall what had happened to them therfore these greedy care home owners gets away with it. :(

 

People at the age of 50 and younger can get this conditon but what are government doing nothing but locking them up in care home:evil::confused::mad:

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At the risk of being unpopular, SeriousFred does have a point... sorry.

 

Anyone who seriously believes that the Benefits system is not being milked for all it's worth by a vast number of individuals who have no intention of ever working for as long as they can get away with it, is living a very blinkered existence. Having said that, I've claimed Benefits for a lengthy time myself in past years for similar reasons; simply because there weren't any jobs that paid a living wage as opposed to paying a wage that merely propped up the wage of someone else, which was no good to me..... so it's a complex argument and there are reasons why people do it based on Gov. policy decisions. During the years that I was claiming, I was reluctant to come off Benefits myself and either.... struggle on less income than "the law says" is enough to live on (DWP jargon) or... run the risk of a temporary contract running out and having to go through the whole rigmorale again.... so I stayed on Benefits right up until my daughter was 16 (the law has changed in that respect though, I've since learned).

 

I've come across huge numbers of people both in my personal and professional world (I've been in work for a number of years now) who just won't come off Benefits because it's not cost-effective for them to do so.... and they stay in the system any way they can.... but this often has detrimental effects which the Gov. has now started to realise. In the school where I work for example, there are whole families of "disabled" parents who are healthy enough to get jiggy and keep on churning out more and more children, who they then claim for, in order to stay in the system.... but who don't/won't work because the DWP pay them more to stay at home in one capacity or another. These children grow up neglected, unsocialised and eventually end up on the ever-heaving SEN register for a range of behavioural disorders linked to the fact that they're not socialised properly, stuck in front of a video games console for hours until their brains are mush and fed on rubbish; visually and nutritionally.

 

Apologies if this post offends anyone with a genuine disabililty.... but I have trouble believing that we have such a large amount of disabled people in this country just as much as I have trouble accepting that there are so many kids with "special" needs. I have recently turned around a class of 12 alleged no-hope children into responsible Yr. 11 boys who will be leaving school on the next few weeks and going to college. It's a shame that they had to wait until ages 15/16 before they were taught how to think and form sensible opinions for themselves and it's been a tough 2 years with them. None of their parents work.... Slightly off topic, but relevant nevertheless....

 

People like these have helped to ruin a system for genuinely disabled people and genuine SEN kids to such an extent that the goal posts are very difficult to reach for Benefits such as DLA.... and Incapacity Benefit has now been re-named (like others before it) into the more psychologically intimidating ESA as well.... implying that people are only allowed to have it now instead of it being an entitlement. The Gov. is trying to tackle the problem without tackling the cause, in my opinion.... which penalises everyone on Benefits in the process

 

Sad times....

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Thank you Priority One, I am glad someone was able to take the time to read what I had said properly and not assume I was insulting them and the rest of the world just because they did not agree with what they assumed I was saying! (and did not need to resort to calling me a troll :) )

 

I fully agree it is a very complex area and that the system itself does not provide the right incentives for people to not be on benefits. Without a living wage it is very hard for anyone to make the decision day to day to come off benefits and work. This is fully understandable, after all, we all want to do the best that we can individually for ourselves and of course our families.

 

Truly sad to see that we are still in such a class-driven/riven society - otherwise why would there be such a them and us mentality? This of course works both ways, as in disdainfully labelling welfare-dependent people as an 'underclass' or looking with resentment at the 'toffs' running the country! (although there is still a disproportionately high number of 'them' involved at the top - yet, they all seem to succumb to corruption in the end, irrespective of their social origins!)

 

It is a real shame that we have not found a way to overcome this to a larger degree but is unfortunately symptomatic of the increased economic inequality over the last few decades, which has greatly exacerbated the social inequality in our (and most western and other) societies. Without tackling this underlying malaise then having a benefits system merely serves as a tool for politicians to control the masses with. And therefore it fails to efficiently and truly serve the purpose it was originally designed for and only deepens the long term social issues for all in society.

 

The result seems to be that noone is prepared to tackle the underlying problems of social inequality or a benefits system that does not sufficiently help those who most need it yet enslaves great numbers of those who would be better off without it.

 

Sad times indeed........I don't profess to have a perfect solution myself but all I can think is that it will take a brave and radical politician to truly tackle this problem....really not sure there is anyone out there at the moment who would take the risk of tackling this one.

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These GP and other medical professional has no problems in having patient with dementia locked up 24/7 because they do not want to spend money on helping them, most of the mobile people with dementia has short term memory problems but they are locked in 24/7 with this conditions. At present there are a million with dementia in the UK and it is getting more and more every day. These people are locked up in care homes all human right taken away from them, they are abused as well because of their short term memory loss and because of that they cannot tell anyone because they have forgotten about the abuse they do feel the pain however. As they do recall what had happened to them therfore these greedy care home owners gets away with it. :(

 

People at the age of 50 and younger can get this conditon but what are government doing nothing but locking them up in care home:evil::confused::mad:

 

This is so left field for me to comment on but I think I should. Especially the Dementia issue. My next door neighbour has it. She wonders around the gardens and often locks herself out her home at ALL hours of the day and night.

We as good neighbours help. What I wonder is, where are her family and kids? I know she has 3 grown up sons. They always come around for an hour on Christmas and mothers day.

Family should look after each other. If this were anywhere else, she would be living with the family she raised.

My mother has stage 3 cancer, she just has to say the word and I would be making space in our family home. The doctors say she has 6 months, maybe a bit more. She still works and refuses benefits. Those morals and self pride have been passed down to me and I will pass these onto my kids.

I to lost my job recently, luckily my wife works full time and this carried us long enough for me to get back on the job ladder. I took a 30% knock in salary but hey, I got a job. Im Lucky!

My point is, bring back family values, respect for your elders and flippen help each other! Oh yes and dont take the P*SS from the country you call home.

The answer is, common sense and individual case by case assesment.

 

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I think a lot of you are completely missing the point here.

 

What this is about is 2 fold

 

1, the use of a work force that can be hired and fired at will with no repercussions on the employer but a devastating effect on the "worker" due to loss of benefit through sanctions.

 

2, the use of this new labour force to create a permanent pool of people to fill low skilled jobs at very little cost (in all sectors) which would previously be filled by junior permanent staff or temporary workers.

 

So in one political master stroke; unemployed (but not for Unemployment statistics as they are now on training allowances) scroungers now work for benefits which the public love, employers have an ultra cheep and unlimited labour pool and no liability (e.g. wages, benefits and pensions) and the government looks good on all sides.

 

In reality unscrupulous employers will lay off staff and reduce permanent positions, so there will be a reduction in the number of permanent and temporary jobs available (usually filled by working mums, students and old/young people) which all amounts to an increase in unemployment and a growth in the pool etc etc etc.....

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I think a lot of you are completely missing the point here.

 

What this is about is 2 fold

 

1, the use of a work force that can be hired and fired at will with no repercussions on the employer but a devastating effect on the "worker" due to loss of benefit through sanctions.

 

2, the use of this new labour force to create a permanent pool of people to fill low skilled jobs at very little cost (in all sectors) which would previously be filled by junior permanent staff or temporary workers.

 

So in one political master stroke; unemployed (but not for Unemployment statistics as they are now on training allowances) scroungers now work for benefits which the public love, employers have an ultra cheep and unlimited labour pool and no liability (e.g. wages, benefits and pensions) and the government looks good on all sides.

 

In reality unscrupulous employers will lay off staff and reduce permanent positions, so there will be a reduction in the number of permanent and temporary jobs available (usually filled by working mums, students and old/young people) which all amounts to an increase in unemployment and a growth in the pool etc etc etc.....

 

In additon, you will be competing against EU Nationals from certain countries that are prepared to work at the minimum or a lower wage therefore making the field more competitive for an employer. Got that t-shirt a few months ago.

I am sure some of you have come across ths where you are desperate for a job and are prepared to work at a lower rate until something else comes along but the job is given to an EU natinal as the employer knows that more than likely you will gap it at the first opportunity to better yourself whereasa the EU National will stay for for months or years.

In general I have no issue with EU nationals but when jobs are scarce for the indigeneous people of a country like Britain, then the job should be offered to the indigeneous first and not the EU national. This is one other reason for many British people being on benefits due to high unemployment.

The government states the figure is 2.5 million unemployed or thereabouts. but I think it is a lot higher even if you subtract the scroungers from that figure as I have friends who don't bother to sign on as travelling to the job centre and signing on for no money is a hassle and costs them money. Others have gone back to college even though they are in the late forties early fifties to try and get some sort of qualification and they are nto counted as unemployed.

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This is so left field for me to comment on but I think I should. Especially the Dementia issue. My next door neighbour has it. She wonders around the gardens and often locks herself out her home at ALL hours of the day and night.

We as good neighbours help. What I wonder is, where are her family and kids? I know she has 3 grown up sons. They always come around for an hour on Christmas and mothers day.

Family should look after each other. If this were anywhere else, she would be living with the family she raised.

My mother has stage 3 cancer, she just has to say the word and I would be making space in our family home. The doctors say she has 6 months, maybe a bit more. She still works and refuses benefits. Those morals and self pride have been passed down to me and I will pass these onto my kids.

I to lost my job recently, luckily my wife works full time and this carried us long enough for me to get back on the job ladder. I took a 30% knock in salary but hey, I got a job. Im Lucky!

My point is, bring back family values, respect for your elders and flippen help each other! Oh yes and dont take the P*SS from the country you call home.

The answer is, common sense and individual case by case assesment.

 

Stewie

 

Sorry about your mother Stewie, nothing comes on its own does it, as if it was not enough for you to come to terms with your mother illness with cancer but you loose your jobs as well.

 

I agree it should be up to families to look after their love ones. But that do not often happen if their families live far away from them. This would make it impossible for them to physically keep an eye on their parents. Not all family members are fortunate to have an understanding DiL to allow their MiL to live with them for an uncertain length of time. Also perhaps the parent would not want to burden their children with looking after them.

 

Where unfortunately there are no family members and there are lots of elderly and middle aged people like this because all of their family friends have die or moved away and can only make occasional visit, due to them been elderly themselves and also these care homes are outside any towns in remote areas tuck aware from the civilization were there is little public transport and unless visitors can drive they cannot make visits to these care home.

 

Some greedy offspring’s live close by and obviously have transport to make visit to their parent(s) but could not be bothering to do so, until they need something, in fact some greedy offspring’s, will not visit their parents in care home whatsoever that is why they put them there in the first place because they could be bother with them and are waiting for them to kick the bucket so they can get what the parent(s) may have left, you will then see them at their family home like a shot.

 

The medical professional are not competent to deal with dementia as they do not know what causes it. They just prescribe inappropriate drugs (what is known as the medical cosh to keep patients quite this medication puts them in a semi coma state. When I visit care homes they parent are always sleeping in a chair in the middle of the morning as well as the afternoon.

 

I know of a person that had just retired and when her husband died she got dementia. Unfortunately, she also had a car accident and was taken to hospital and after being there for 6 months she was diagnosed with dementia. She was transferred into a care home by her selfish family and they do not visit her at all in the care home. Where she was able there was nothing that she would not do for her family and grandchildren.

 

The greedy family made her a ward of court this took aware all her rights as a person. They did this because they did not want others siblings to get what would have been left in there estate.

 

Despite being hospital all that time only assess that she had dementia but she had osteoporosis and that was not detected in the hospital until a year after she was in the care home the home could not understand why she was in so much pain and it was then that they were told that osteoporosis ran in the family and it was only then it was diagnosed. Poor thing she was in dreadful pain. She had many falls in the care home and broken many bones. She was taken to the local hospital in a taxi and then retune to the care home after they had took xrays but during that time the medical profession did not diagnose her condition.

 

This woman and hubby worked all there lives never took anything from the state. This is what was waiting for them at the end of all their efforts as it is for the majority of elderly and disabled people nowadays.

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Sorry about your mother Stewie, nothing comes on its own does it, as if it was not enough for you to come to terms with your mother illness with cancer but you loose your jobs as well.

 

I agree it should be up to families to look after their love ones. But that do not often happen if their families live far away from them. This would make it impossible for them to physically keep an eye on their parents. Not all family members are fortunate to have an understanding DiL to allow their MiL to live with them for an uncertain length of time. Also perhaps the parent would not want to burden their children with looking after them.

 

Where unfortunately there are no family members and there are lots of elderly and middle aged people like this because all of their family friends have die or moved away and can only make occasional visit, due to them been elderly themselves and also these care homes are outside any towns in remote areas tuck aware from the civilization were there is little public transport and unless visitors can drive they cannot make visits to these care home.

 

Some greedy offspring’s live close by and obviously have transport to make visit to their parent(s) but could not be bothering to do so, until they need something, in fact some greedy offspring’s, will not visit their parents in care home whatsoever that is why they put them there in the first place because they could be bother with them and are waiting for them to kick the bucket so they can get what the parent(s) may have left, you will then see them at their family home like a shot.

 

The medical professional are not competent to deal with dementia as they do not know what causes it. They just prescribe inappropriate drugs (what is known as the medical cosh to keep patients quite this medication puts them in a semi coma state. When I visit care homes they parent are always sleeping in a chair in the middle of the morning as well as the afternoon.

 

I know of a person that had just retired and when her husband died she got dementia. Unfortunately, she also had a car accident and was taken to hospital and after being there for 6 months she was diagnosed with dementia. She was transferred into a care home by her selfish family and they do not visit her at all in the care home. Where she was able there was nothing that she would not do for her family and grandchildren.

 

The greedy family made her a ward of court this took aware all her rights as a person. They did this because they did not want others siblings to get what would have been left in there estate.

 

Despite being hospital all that time only assess that she had dementia but she had osteoporosis and that was not detected in the hospital until a year after she was in the care home the home could not understand why she was in so much pain and it was then that they were told that osteoporosis ran in the family and it was only then it was diagnosed. Poor thing she was in dreadful pain. She had many falls in the care home and broken many bones. She was taken to the local hospital in a taxi and then retune to the care home after they had took xrays but during that time the medical profession did not diagnose her condition.

 

This woman and hubby worked all there lives never took anything from the state. This is what was waiting for them at the end of all their efforts as it is for the majority of elderly and disabled people nowadays.

Makes me sick! To think someone is so poorly treated in old age without any dignity or respect.

 

When I was young I was always told to respect my elders, I didnt agree with it all the time but I did it..and it should be pushed on todays youth. Getting onto the tube and little s**ts wont stand up and give an elderly person a seat...to busy listening to the iPod with the hoodie on and the jeans around the ankles. Arrrhhh I get mad.

 

Ok off topic I know. In the case you listed, this is where individual assesment should take place. She needs help...The state should sell the property and use the money to fund her final years with dignity and stuff the kids!

 

Oh by the way Im still young before everyone thinks I should be eating my soup through a straw. Im only 35

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