US elections November 2020

[tobyjugg2]

So is Johnson

 

So whos pratting around voting for them

 

Bad as clinton was she was no Corbyn, so the yanks haven't even got that excuse.

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

21 hours ago, London1971 said:

 

People laugh and snark about Boris but ultimately he had empathy, ultimately he flattened the curve of the disease,

 

 

ultimately he bailed the population out financially.  Trump did none of those things.

 

 

 

 

He flattened the curve of the disease at best half of what he should have

 

and Johnsons gov were avoiding 4 million plus hitting the universal credit system and the immediate collapse of swathes of UK businesses,

yes thats better than Trump, but given the situation and the differences in the UK, his gov would have almost certainly collapsed if he hadn't

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

22 hours ago, honeybee13 said:

 Covid press conferences but without the scientists so far. They weren't invited yesterday.

 

Because most are now flatly saying Johnsons policies are not medical advice or medical science rather than simply muttering 'political decision'

[tobyjugg2]

interesting that Johnson has said there will be rises for the Judiciary, police and doctors

 

Well, the Judiciary have mostly been at home

Getting to actually see a GP, or even getting past 'every symptom is covid - isolate don't come in' has been and is a ferking disgrace

 

 

My other half and daughter in law, both NHS who have both been working right through the pandemic - longer hours and more responsibilities than normal

apparently still aint getting a penny extra.

 

 

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Either/or

I was referring to Johnson

but Trump fits equally well there

... Just a matter of degree and what each thinks they can get away with in most areas

 

Like johnson would never get away with 4-9 million extra unemployed and tens of thousands of Tory voting small businesses down the pan

Trump doesn't care - cheap slave labour without using Mexicans

.. Johnson just wishes he could

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Surely you mean Johnson makes feeble excuses for the results of terrible personally driven policies and practices and claims it wasn't his fault

... just like Trump and Corbyn have and continue to do

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

I'm reading excuses - and feeble ones

 

"the prime minister has said he took the "right decisions at the right time", based on the advice of scientists."

 

 "We didn't understand [the virus] in the way that we would have liked in the first few weeks and months."

 

" "I think it's fair to say that there are things that we need to learn about how we handled it in the early stages

 

""Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done

 

 

Do read what you link

 

[tobyjugg2]

So show a single clearly defined mistake admitted or apology

 

From refusing PPE and UK PPE being sent to China

Lying about PPE being ordered and coming in from Turkey

Demonstrating Handshakes when there should have been care

18 million people admitted/returned into the UK untested and unchecked

SPADS and ministers P*ing all over lockdown while fining ordinary folk

 

.. theres lots and lots of cretinous decisions for him to pick a clear apology from

.. and not a single one - just like Corbyn and Trump

[tobyjugg2]

14 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

Mr Johnson said: "Maybe there were things we could have done differently, and of course there will be time to understand what exactly we could have done, or done differently."

 

It's nice to see he takes full responsiblity for what the government has done. But I disagree with the time to understand comment, a second wave could be pretty soon.

 

 

Maybe If he had left out that Maybe ....

[tobyjugg2]

changes a weak but arguably an actual apology into nothing but an excuse and avoidance at best in my eyes

 

A simple apology with a clearly defined focus is what is needed

 

 

and given how often he does munge and obscure a required apology, quite clearly says to me that no apology was or is intended. Quite the opposite.

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

[tobyjugg2]

 

 

Hasn't the covid pandemic killed more Americans under Trumps ' grate leadershipishness than the entire Vietnam war did?

 

Edited July 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

He's completely bonkers

Unless he's preparing his get out for his trial for treason

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/28/trump-covid-19-briefing-hydroxychloroquine-video

 

"The US president tweeted a version of the video, which rapidly gained tens of thousands of views on Facebook and YouTube before both companies took it down for containing false public health information.

 

"they’re very respected doctors"

“Many doctors think it is extremely successful, the hydroxychloroquine,”

“You don’t need masks. There is a cure.”

"doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens"

"gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches"

 

Immanuel is a registered doctor in Texas, according to the Texas Medical Board, and runs a clinic in a strip mall next to her church, Firepower Ministries, the Daily Beast reported.

 

"this is who Trump is and always will be: a conspiracy theorist content to gamble with the lives of others."

[tobyjugg2]

Warning contains bad language and some tongue in cheek 'honesty

 

https://youtu.be/dpIkl2QnJeI

Edited August 3, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing keeping johnson from being the No 1 world laughing stock

 

Edited August 4, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Report Details Manafort’s Ties During 2016 Trump Campaign to a Russian Agent

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/18/us/politics/paul-manafort-konstantin-kilimnik.html

 

"Their link was “the single most direct tie between senior Trump campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services,” according to the fifth and final volume of the committee’s report on its bipartisan three-year investigation issued Tuesday."

[tobyjugg2]

Rats and long past due sinking ship come to mind

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/24/kellyanne-conway-leave-trump-white-house-team-end-of-august

 

Hopefully the shape of Boris the Liars future - unless corbynites gift him another term.

Edited August 24, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

"Also, I never called John a loser and swear on whatever, or whoever, I was asked to swear on, that I never called our great fallen soldiers anything other than HEROES.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 4, 2020

 

[tobyjugg2]

8 minutes ago, renegadeimp said:

c[aught lying, commiting illegal activities, and hes still being defended.  
 

 

sounds familiar

 

Trump wanted to shut down congress

Johnson unlawfully did

 

Trump reneged on international deals

Johnsons trying to

 

...

 

birds of a feather

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

The (NY)Times has obtained more than two decades of President Trump’s tax returns. The documents paint a picture of a man who takes in hundreds of millions of dollars in some years yet racks up chronic losses.

 

https://www.cnn.ph/world/2020/9/28/Donald-Trump-taxes-2020-election.html

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump

 

https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/national-news/18752741.five-things-learned-donald-trumps-tax-affairs/

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

 

he is also potentially mired in debt with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans falling due in the coming years. The NYT reported: “Should he win re-election, his lenders could be placed in the unprecedented position of weighing whether to foreclose on a sitting president.”

[tobyjugg2]

1 minute ago, honeybee13 said:

 

I suppose I could have linked to our RSS feed but that just tells you the headline and links to the BBC article. I thought I would link to the BBC directly.

 

If thats cjcregg whining, theres been a number of links and a video

Its his fault if he has chosen not to see them.

 

.. errr no difference there then eh?

Not everyone elses responsibility to dance to his twisted tune

 

 

[tobyjugg2]

Yes was flipping between panorama and c4 news

 

trump is going to throw the dirty tricks book at this election

 

wrong thread - butPanorama has actual detailed examples of the utter farces of people testing negative and their contacts being chased a week after any lockdown (which was not needed) would have ended, and being actually told they need to lockdown until the week before the call they were speaking on

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

no TV where I am at moment

[tobyjugg2]

Haven't had a TV at my place for years .. do at o/hs - including my still  fabulous screen high end plasma that was just sat in a corner doing nowt  here.