Defending a UAE court claim and Court Jurisdiction.

[AndyOrch]

Fair enough ...I wish you well in your case.....

 

Own thread created and all posts placed here from other users thread.

[Versus]

Andy...  a question if I may for clarificatin.

 

You state that forum non conveniens overrides  The Rome Convention

 

The Rome convention deals with choice of Law (the sections you signpost too deal with the matter of applied law which in these cases may not be able to argue as the contracts state they are UAE law)

 

Forum non conveniens deals with cases where there is a stated EXCLUSIVE Jurisdiction? As I understand jurisdiction has now been ruled (rightly or wrongly)

 

So a simple explanation of your statement would be helpful.

[AndyOrch]

That was posted in error Versus..ignore.

 

Andy

[Versus]

How so?

 

What error?

 

You cannot seriously be suggesting that it was a slip of the keyboard and that you didnt intend to make a statement or post a link that was, generally, of no use?

 

I think what you are trying to say is that you googled some stuff that met with your own assumptions then posted it? And now when challenged realise?

 

ass u me being a word that you use often.

 

EVERYONE here is trying to help each other. I am not being vindictive. But please understand we are dealing with a very specific and challenging area of Law. People are desperate to find sollutions.

 

Garden Paths are not solutions.

 

HOWEVER

 

In the 'thesis' (which is all that it is) there is a passage that COULD be extremely valuable. I will check out the case law and references, particularly the dates, then state them when I think that they may assist people.

 

Thanks 

 

 

[AndyOrch]

It was a genuine error thought i had deleted it.....still we all make mistakes like not knowing what uses an N244 is used for.

 

Its removed now so please forgive me.

[Versus]

Yet you choose to try and have a little dig re N244.(for the record I knew and know exactly what it is used for, how, when and why it should be used. No point in arguing with you though)

 

Its not for me to forgive...  its good enough for me that you have acknowledged you were wrong. 

 

It does highlight the significant issue that people should not make statements without the facts to back them up.... otherwise people get dropped in the sh one t.

 

I will mail you for your thoughts on the section i see in your thesis that COULD be very handy. 

 

I WONT post it here until fact.

 

 

[AndyOrch]

I have not acknowledged anything...as stated it was posted in error.

 

Please do not mail me I deal with 100s of thread per week on all issues but mostley UK law and Court claims......please start your own thread and then others can benefit from your experience and knowledge of UAE court claims and how to defend them.......then we can all join you on your thread rather than keep hijacking others.

[Versus]

all i am doing is joining others here and offering support, thats the point. Good job given recent events.

 

but hey ok. no PM

 

 

[AndyOrch]

This is your thread Versus please post any useful information here in assisting and dealing with defending these types of claims.

[Versus]

Huh... 

[Versus]

On 07/04/2019 at 22:32, Andyorch said:

But you still need to submit an n244 to get the hearing to decide jurisdiction .

 

NO you do not as has been evidenced by recent actions.

 

They will call a hearing on the jurisdiction ONLY if people follow your argument. The N244 sits outside of the jurisdiction hearing.... THAT is why it is not enough to just tick a box and not prepare.

 

Your advice on Jurisdiction was specific and, as a result, got the result expected!

 

You ASSUME  and you INTERPRET the lax from a sedentary position. Indeed heckling rather than bringing FACT

 

 

[Versus]

( the result expected by the way as sadly i didnt get to intervene was that they LOST.... )

 

well done

 

 

[dx100uk]

Lost what..the cases have yet to even be defended..it could even be jurisdiction is not over either in a round about way.

 

I did ask somewhere else..i must find it and move it to this thread..how's your case going..you've bounced in and out of court afew times now? What stage is it at?

 

[Versus]

FACT... i would not share those details with YOU ... By hat i mean SPECIFICALLY YOU.   That is a shame because it means i am restricted in what I feel i can post here.

 

But it is 100000% Justified given the fact that the majority of what you have spouted is proven to be garbage and, indeed, that you behave like a prepubescent keyboard warrior in your insults to the other side (that do not help)

 

LOOK at what you just stated ' in a round about way'

 

A JUDGE has just ordered that (rightly or wrongly) they are within Jurisdiction! what part of that are you failing to grasp?

 

A round abut way? Round about way? This is peoples LIVES and LIVELIHOODS you are toying... (yes toying) with.

 

I will (for the benefit of the tape) say again that my dealings are at a protracted stage ... they are moving toward a further hearing at court.. (yes further) ... they are extremely volatile given the attitude of our friends and........................................... I WILL WIN. Not if a spunk it all here however. WHICH DOES NOT AND SHOULD NOT DENY ME THE OPPONTUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE

 

What do you want? The Case number?

 

I am actually beginning to wonder here who IS the CWD Plant? DX? Andy S ?- 

 

Makes as much as if nomore sense.

 

My presence to you is obviously a challenge as it disrupts your 'GOD'status.

 

Iwill just go away..... 

 

unfortunate for others... those REAL people who are in serius do do 

 

well done... 

 

 

(p.s. I managedto resist till the end to state the obvious............................... DX you need to get a real life.... one away from topics you haveabsolutely ZERO knowledge of)

 

 

[dx100uk]

you are indeed a strange character, that does seem to understand what a forum is about or somehow blames me for the issues you have or others have haod..

 

the jurisdiction decisions made are nothing to do with any poor advise , even if it was or wasn't anything to do with me here on CAG.

yes the judges have said the cases can be heard , but what if the  paperwork blows things out.not under our laws.is that not ultimately saying the same thing..nothing to preside over ..move on.

 

like you im certainly not going to indicate in anyway my dealings with them or whom I might have private dealing with regarding them taking people to court. but if it wasn't for cag and my posts on cag ..I wouldn't have the numerous contacts that have approached me with behind the curtains information and would now not be knowing what I know.

 

I cant quite grasp why you came onto cag being so venomous  and seemingly blaming me personally for the poor position everyone is in when theres no real apparent reason, the jurisdiction issue was judge lottery and nothing to do with cag poor advise? or do you think otherwise?

 

again this is why my inbox keeps getting filled up with people posting..why is versus blaming you for everything...? 

 

 

[Versus]

47 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

 

 

 

Let us  take each ofo your points in order

 

 

you are indeed a strange character, that does seem to understand what a forum is about or somehow blames me for the issues you have or others have had..

 

Always a good thing to start with an insult, thus portraying the other side are in the wrong, or from the start… as for the forum? I didn’t break any rules, it has none.  

the jurisdiction decisions made are nothing to do with any poor advise, even if it was or wasn't anything to do with me here on CAG.

BUT they were…. Advice was tendered that was both wrong in direction and incomplete as to potential outcomes of actions. THAT is irresponsible.

yes the judges have said the cases can be heard, but what if the  paperwork blows things out. Not under our laws. is that not ultimately saying the same think. Nothing to preside over ..move on.

NO it isn’t. what ifs huh? Great legal argument that is? What if I thought you were an out of depth keyboard warrior with zero to no knowledge of the subject upon which you were tendering advice? What ifs are not helpful in LAW. The LAW is.

 

 

like you im certainly not going to indicate in anyway my dealings with them or whom I might have private dealing with regarding them taking people to court. but if it wasn't for cag and my posts on cag ..I wouldn't have the numerous contacts that have approached me with behind the curtains information and would now not be knowing what I know.

 

That’s makes sense. Or rather is doesn’t. I have a very good friend in Rome called Biggus Dickus didn’t you now? Same argument. I can only form an opinion on what you have posted as advice o information……………………….. Scant.

 

I cant quite grasp why you came onto cag being so venomous  and

seemingly blaming me personally for the poor position everyone is in when there’s no real apparent reason, the jurisdiction issue was judge lottery and nothing to do with cag poor advise? or do you think otherwise?

1.       NOT venomous, as I have repeatedly pointed out. You may find the challenges hard to swallow but they are simply that. Get your facts right if you are going to advise/sign post people down a route. For the avoidance of doubt, read the threads I refer too and you will see that facts…

2.       People are in the positions they are in due to own actions. These are then compounded by the draconian UAE. I don’t blame YOU for that? I do blame you for your constant ridiculous baiting of CWD on here when it is not you who has to pay the price. You are also WRONG in many of your assertions (which has been pointed out to you before)

3.       The Jurisdiction issue is indeed a judge lottery! Did you think to advise people of such? NO you and CAG did not… Now that’s not a criticism in itself but you will get my point. So YES I DO think otherwise………………………….. and if you look through previous threads (to which you have contributed) you will see why.

 

again this is why my inbox keeps getting filled up with people posting.. why is versus blaming you for everything...?

 

If that is what they are asking… and I doubt that you have had more than maybe 1 or 2 emails…. Then your duty is to answer them factually … fact being something you are often short on however

 

Sayonara….

 

 

 

 

[dx100uk]

but I still cant quite grasp why you are championing for people that have supposedly followed the wrong advise given by me or CAG and have got themselves in more trouble by doing that and what evidence is there of that..

 

there are 2 cases here whereby jurisdiction challenge has failed.. now they are to progress..ok i'm complicit in as much as I posted on the same thread..but then again so then must anybody else that posted on those threads..

 

there are no other threads here or evidence elsewhere that show mine or cags advise has caused any other 'losses' to people...

..or be it you followed it all and are now up the creak and blame me>>>

[Treacle Pudding x]

What you DID do was to BLOCK Versus from responding to you. 

 

STAZI

 

Pathetic.

 

This is no detriment to CAG but i do hope people see you for what you are.

 

SHAMEFUL 

 

 

[dx100uk]

nope never block anyone..what is the point in that?

 

 

[Treacle Pudding x]

Yes you have.... sums up.... FACT you are preventing them making any fuhrer posts 

 

Why is that?

 

Seriously you people need to get a grip on yourselves.

 

 

[dx100uk]

aha I see now

yes admin has put versus on moderation 

 

siteteam are mere morals and don't have that power.

 

appears versus could not understand that personally insulting people is not on here.

 

I did warn against versus doing this ages ago somewhere here but obv it didn't sink in.

 

sadly I have no influence over the decision if our rules have been repeatedly broken, which it appears they have.

 

shame as there must be something behind the numerous references to my baiting the likes of CWD that needs opening up as to what versus knows with regard to this, has he been personally threatened by these people whilst in court regarding this..

 

I cant say what I know here on the open forum but members of an activists group whom regularly attend the public galleries where these cases have often been in the past have suffered various threats in person whilst there in the gallery and outside protesting from xxxx. 

 

i'll simply say that these UAE debts and the serious money the UAE has many people over a barrel or in their pockets ...including those in powerful positions.

 

sadly youtube and the like no longer hold or allow the videos of the confrontations and repeatedly take them down...i'm not at liberty to nor wish to post where you can find them now.

 

dx

[BankFodder]

7 hours ago, Treacle Pudding x said:

Yes you have.... sums up.... FACT you are preventing them making any fuhrer posts 

 

Why is that?

 

Seriously you people need to get a grip on yourselves.

 

 

 

It's such a shame. You would be so welcome to contribute on this forum if you would simply act in a reasonable, diplomatic and courteous way towards people including the site team.