[B]The English Language???[/B]

[buckthorn]

Question:-

1.What is the definition of a Hero?

2.What is the different’s between - killed and murdered.

[honeybee13]

Not a lot? The net result is the same, sadly.

 

HB

[buckthorn]

Not a lot? The net result is the same, sadly.HB

 

"Could you expand on that statement"

and how about the term Hero.

[honeybee13]

Apologies, I meant question 2.

[obiter dictum]

A hero is an individual who goes beyond what is normally expected of him. That is why ex-squadies and Fireman etc hate being called a hero, they are simply doing their duty

 

Murdered is killing an individual that is contrary to law. In war time you kill the enemy, not murder as it is state sanctioned if your own life is in danger at a particular time and place. Even combat has legislation to abide by. That is why you have war crimes tribunals

 

You can be killed in a car accident

Edited July 29, 2016 by obiter dictum

[silverfox1961]

Killing is also contrary to law as in manslaughter. The intention was not to murder but the outcome was a death.

 

There are very few car 'accidents'. Accident implies that no one was to blame which is why people now say 'collision' instead. A true accident is when something happens within or without a vehicle that is beyond the drivers control.

Most times, a collision is caused by someone making an error.

[obiter dictum]

I agree, a "blow out" would be something beyond the control of the driver

[buckthorn]

A hero is an individual who goes beyond what is normally expected of him.

 

In my eyes a hero is a person who put his/her life on the line above and beyond the call of duty

to save others.

So why are people who for instance run a marathon, climb a mountain, sail the Atlantic, and lots

of other activities called hero’s by the press TV and all forms of the media?

 

I will guarantee that if any of our countrymen win medals in Reo the press and TV will be calling

them hero’s, it really gets up my nose they are not hero’s full stop. Maybe we will see for instance

somebody who wins the marathon being awarded the VC.

 

The Victoria Cross is the highest award for gallantry that a British and Commonwealth serviceman can

achieve. It is linked with acts of extreme bravery and the original document associated with the medal

stated that it could only be awarded for “gallantry of the highest order”.26 Feb 2015

 

Acts of gallantry in the fire service, since 1977, George Medal or Queen’s Gallantry Medal.

 

Queen's Police Medals for Gallantry Awarded for

"acts of exceptional courage and skill at the cost of their lives.

[buckthorn]

Killing is also contrary to law as in manslaughter. The intention was not to murder but the outcome was a death.

 

 

What is the different’s between - killed and murdered.

 

Once again the media and press never in my opinion state what anybody

with any sense can see, I don’t know if it’s just a case of trying to dumb-down

a happening, after all the PC brigade has taken over everything else in this country.

 

If I was in my house and the roof fell in and I died, I would have been killed due to

an accident. If I was driving my car and I had a puncture ran off the road and hit a

wall and I died I would have been killed due to an accident. If I fainted while on a

train station platform and fell in front of a train and died, I would have been killed

due to an accident.

 

This is where the different’s comes in, a priest in France has his throat cut and he

dies the press etc.; say he was killed. A nut case in a lorry drives along a road and

80+ die were they killed? another nut case chopped off the heads of dozens of

Christians in Syria its reported that they were killed.

 

They were Bl***y murdered why don’t people use the right terminology, and say

what it really is.

[obiter dictum]

Because you cannot say murder , manslaughter or justifiable homicide until a person has been charged or not. Be it you like it or not people believe in the rule of law no matter where you are. That is all suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We do not do kangaroo courts or lynching

Edited July 30, 2016 by obiter dictum

[maroondevo52]

What a cheery thread

[buckthorn]

What a cheery thread

 

What I am trying to get at is the misuse of the English language

is it being misused for PC reasons?

[buckthorn]

Because you cannot say murder , manslaughter or justifiable homicide until

a person has been charged or not. Be it you like it or not people believe in the rule of law no matter where you are.

That is all suspects are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We do not do kangaroo courts or lynching

 

 

 

"So what you are saying is that no matter what the circumstance a killing cannot be classed as murder until a

perpetrator has been charged or it has gone to court." Is that correct?

 

Two blood soaked nut cases murder Lee Rigby, they are pictures standing there with blood all over their hands

and a blood stained knife saying they are soldiers, and confessing to doing it, and it cannot be called murder??

 

A nutter in a lorry ploughs into families out for the evening, and murders 80+ and that's not murder?, its right

in front of your face it does not need a charge of murder saying that is what it is, and if it is not murder then the

policemen who shot and killed him should be tried in court, as the man according to you is innocent until proven guilty.

 

The same goes for the 2 nutters who murdered the priest, innocent until proven guilty, should the police who

shot them be had for murder? There is also the other nutter on the train who murdered a couple of passengers,

innocent until proven guilty, shot by police??

 

If something looks like murder, the chances are it most likely is, and we should call it that, not killed.

[silverfox1961]

I think what is missing here is the human thought. To us, it is murder however the official system will not say such as this country is very PC and will only class it as murder once a court has judged it to be so. Some in the media try not to use emotive language 'just in case' their reporting brings about reprisals against innocents.

 

You have to recognise that these terrorists have bastardised the Koran to their own ends (and no I haven't read it) Islam in itself is a peaceful religion and we shouldn't forget that.