Freedom of speech..

[Consumer dude]

Donald Trump, Tyson Fury, are we not all allowed to just give our own personal opinions. What do others think..

[postmn]

ok without starting a flame war , i will attempt to show my point of view . as for donald trump there are areas where the police won't except mob handed despite what there politically correct bosses said , there were area when i worked up in london in the 90's .

 

As for fury i don't agree with what we said but we live in a democracy that means one of the costs of this is allowing a view that will be different to yours .

As for the partition i always find it said when sports gets tainted by politics .

[Consumer dude]

I think, if anyone wants to express a view, then its up to them, as long as its not creating hatred..

[honeybee13]

What do you think of what Donald Trump and Tyson Fury said, CD, do you think they're creating hatred?

 

HB

[Consumer dude]

What do you think of what Donald Trump and Tyson Fury said, CD, do you think they're creating hatred?

 

HB

 

In the context that they were said, no I don't and what about you ?

[honeybee13]

I think Donald Trump could be creating hatred, yes. Of course his idea is ludicrous and unworkable.

 

I haven't read much about Fury, he sounds like an idiot. IMO.

 

HB

[labrat]

if donald becomes president im just praying that theres a lee harvey oswold copycat out there

[citizenB]

I think Donald Trump could be creating hatred, yes. Of course his idea is ludicrous and unworkable.

 

I haven't read much about Fury, he sounds like an idiot. IMO.

 

HB

 

Apparently he caused quite an outrage when he said of Jessica Ennis-Hill

 

“That’s the runner, isn’t it? She’s good, she’s won quite a few medals, she slaps up good as well,” Fury replied when asked about Ennis-Hill. “When she’s got a dress on she looks quite fit.”

 

Fury is also asked about his attitude to female boxers: “I’m all for it. I’m not sexist,” he said. “I believe a woman’s best place is in the kitchen and on her back. That’s my personal belief. Making me a good cup of tea, that’s what I believe.”

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/04/tyson-fury-jessica-ennis-hill-sports-personality-bbc

[honeybee13]

Words fail me.......

 

HB

[SabreSheep]

I think its difficult in sport and being famous in general

 

Sports personalities are role models especially for the younger generation.

 

If you are famous, then you have a greater responsibility.

 

Having an opinion isnt illegal. BUT like everything freedom of speech has consequences and *IF* expressing that right causes other criminal actions to happen or breaks another law then the consequences must happen.

[mr_mastiff]

My daughter as very strong veiws on recent evenrs i.e bommbing ISIS etc and is very anti war. My wife and daughter became very involved in a heated debate on various issues! At one one point my wife stated "Your Dad fought in the Army" At that point I stated that one of the reasons I joined was to allow my daughter to state her views.

 

My point is that freedom of speech is just that. You may not like it, in fact in may disgust you depending on the issue but to ban an individual or group to impose censorship to opinion is the road to dictatorship.

[mr_mastiff]

if donald becomes president im just praying that theres a lee harvey oswold copycat out there

 

 

This is freedom of speech....... Or is it a hate crime?????....inciting murder?????...or wishful thinking???? Depends on your point of view!

[reallymadwoman]

Does the whole question come down to

 

free speech = you can say whatever you like, whenever you like, wherever you like and however you like, or

free speech = you can say whatever you like, etc, but you are responsible for the consequences

[hightail]

Well Trump is dangerous because he may become powerful enough to bring some of his hateful ideas to fruition. Him I'd worry about. Fury is someone who isn't too bright and hits/gets hit for a living, he won't change the world. I think it's a waste of time and effort to take anything he says seriously.

[antone]

I dunno. I mean, nobody is threatening to arrest Trump. His freedom of speech is not infringed simply because other people, in response to said speech, call him an odious bloviating oaf. You get free speech. You don't get consequence-free speech.

[unclebulgaria67]

Why give Trump help by banning him. There are republican parts of America that do not like the UK very much or do not like anyone that is different to them.

 

Trump has a massive ego and is pretty dangerous to the world. But let him have as much free speech as he likes, as the more he talks, the less likely he will become President.

[goodatresearch]

My daughter as very strong veiws on recent evenrs i.e bommbing ISIS etc and is very anti war. My wife and daughter became very involved in a heated debate on various issues! At one one point my wife stated "Your Dad fought in the Army" At that point I stated that one of the reasons I joined was to allow my daughter to state her views.

 

My point is that freedom of speech is just that. You may not like it, in fact in may disgust you depending on the issue but to ban an individual or group to impose censorship to opinion is the road to dictatorship.

 

I understand your point but there's a fine line between freedom of speech and causing distress and alarm or inciting hate crimes. In my view likening being gay with peodophilia (Fury) goes over that line. Saying that, what Fury has said is so pathetic it just makes me laugh. I just can't take him seriously. He reminds me of a 15 year old being drunk for the first time and spouting nonsense.

[king12345]

Freedom of speech doesn't really exist because if I ask: "Do we have freedom of speech?"

The answer won't be: "Yes"

It will be: "Yes, as long as..."

[Consumer dude]

Freedom of speech doesn't really exist because if I ask: "Do we have freedom of speech?"

The answer won't be: "Yes"

It will be: "Yes, as long as..."

 

That is the point of course, take for example same sex relationships, some people who believe in the bible might say this this wrong, should they not be allowed to express there opinion without being accused of being homophobic ?

[king12345]

That is the point of course, take for example same sex relationships, some people who believe in the bible might say this this wrong, should they not be allowed to express there opinion without being accused of being homophobic ?

 

Yes.

Today's society finds everything offensive and we have to be very careful at what we say and do, especially at work.

Last month was called in the office because I had watched offensive videos on the company laptop IN MY OWN TIME.

The offensive videos were fishing videos in which the large fish gets chopped up and cooked.

Who the hell reported that as offensive???

[Consumer dude]

Yes.

Today's society finds everything offensive and we have to be very careful at what we say and do, especially at work.

Last month was called in the office because I had watched offensive videos on the company laptop IN MY OWN TIME.

The offensive videos were fishing videos in which the large fish gets chopped up and cooked.

Who the hell reported that as offensive???

 

I agree, what happens if I am offended because someone else is offended ?

[Guest]

 

Last month was called in the office because I had watched offensive videos on the company laptop IN MY OWN TIME.

The offensive videos were fishing videos in which the large fish gets chopped up and cooked.

Who the hell reported that as offensive???

 

Dagon did...

[citizenB]

Whilst there are truly offensive people on the planet today - Trump for example... I do think a lot of people are very quick to take offence when none is meant.

[Consumer dude]

I am offended when people walk into me while they are on there mobile phones in the street, but if I was to say anything, what is likely to happen ?

[honeybee13]

You could just avoid walking into them, CD, if you aren't on your mobile and can see them coming. I rarely have my mobile with me, I don't feel the need to be with my phone all the time.

 

HB