UK winter forecast 15/16

[unclebulgaria67]

According to the forecasts, we will either have one of the coldest winters on record with ten feet snowdrifts or a very mild gentle winter with very few cold spells.

 

In other words the forecasters don't know. The ones who sell stories to newspapers are claiming the 'killer' extreme winter and the ones who just study the science without selling stories claim it will be very mild. I tend to therefore believe the latter, as they are not forecasting to generate media headlines.

 

Some of the bookmakers have cut odds on a white Christmas because people have been placing bets because of the media stories.

[obiter dictum]

And the $64000 winnings for the source of that media story has to be

 

The Daily Express

 

They have been running that same story every October for the last 10 years

 

They keep saying climate experts say this and that, but who are these so called climate experts, The tin foil hat brigade??

 

"Has everyone been noticing 'A Chill In The Air' across the UK & Ireland recently?"

Yes it's called Autumn...

 

This is from 2012

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/756e3a7a-74c6-3e6f-8c6a-646ddc9f39d5

Edited October 22, 2015 by obiter dictum

[tobyjugg2]

Whereas in Canada

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/2015-2016-canada-winter-forecast-record-warmth/53084188

[Conniff]

The BBC announced a few years ago that it won't be giving any more long range forecast as they are too unreliable.

[unclebulgaria67]

Whereas in Canada

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/2015-2016-canada-winter-forecast-record-warmth/53084188

 

I have a suspicion that the warm waters in the pacific are to do with under water volcanic eruptions. The water temperatures are well above normal. But the waters around the UK are also warmer, as cold water fish are now increasingly moving north of Scotland. So it may be that there are also underwater water heating issues closer to home. There has been an increase in sightings of deep water fish species, possibly being driven nearer to the surface by issues in the deep.

[tobyjugg2]

and the strongest hurricane on record, a category 5 hurricane heads toward coast of Mexico

Around 350KPH winds.

[Filcin]

Get the surfboards out

[king12345]

20 years ago the global warming brigate said that England would be as warm as north Africa by 2015.

I've based my life on that forecast and emigrated to England only to find out that they were wrong.

Damn!

[Conniff]

So you came expecting to see Meerkats and instead see Penguins

[SabreSheep]

Just remember how much the temperature of the sea impacts on this country.

 

Check out the latitudes of Moscow and London

[tobyjugg2]

Just remember how much the temperature of the sea impacts on this country.

 

Check out the latitudes of Moscow and London

 

Quite right.

We will see stormier cloudier but generally less cold weather due to the extra energy going into the systems near us - including the gulf stream.

 

Drier countries/zones will see the more traditional warming - Like Australia and parts of the US getting temperatures which kill people and which you would not even have expected in an unusually hot season in the middle of the Arabian desert.

 

Extra heat = extra energy, not necessarily more sunshine.

Global warming = super storms, tornadoes and hurricanes in many areas, alternating droughts and floods in others, and major erosion everywhere.

[Tawnyowl]

Latitudes of Moscow to London.

Latitudes of Great Britain to Canada.

Is it true that without those lovely warm waters provided by the gulf stream we would have frost 9 feet-3 metres deep in winter.

 

Oh no,we are doomed,get the anti freeze out.

Signs of Gulf Stream Slowdown — Sea Level More Than a Foot Higher off US East Coast

It’s the stuff that climate disaster movies are made of. But the events are all too real — happening now and not part of some dramatized script played out on the silver screen.

 

Signs abound that global ocean circulation is being profoundly altered by human-forced climate change. A pool of cold water has developed in the North Atlantic. England is getting slammed by anomalous winter-type rains and gales in August. And sea surface heights off the US East Coast are more than 30 centimeters (one foot) above the 1979 to 2015 average.Link-

http://robertscribbler.com/2015/08/26/signs-of-gulf-stream-slowdown-sea-level-more-than-a-foot-higher-off-us-east-coast/

 

Someone phone the express-Monday mornings headline for sure.

 

king12345

20 years ago the global warming brigate said that England would be as warm as north Africa by 2015.

I've based my life on that forecast and emigrated to England only to find out that they were wrong.

Damn!

Oh dear can we help in some way.

The global warming brigade need a severe talking to.

 

Conniff

So you came expecting to see Meerkats and instead see Penguins

[king12345]

I'm not an expert, but I haven't seen any effect of this man made global warming.

Instead I have seen documentaries explaining that the earth goes through phases of warming and cooling on a regular basis and has done so for billions of years.

No, hung on: The earth is only 10 thousand years old accordingly to some.

Who to believe???

[unclebulgaria67]

I'm not an expert, but I haven't seen any effect of this man made global warming.

Instead I have seen documentaries explaining that the earth goes through phases of warming and cooling on a regular basis and has done so for billions of years.

No, hung on: The earth is only 10 thousand years old accordingly to some.

Who to believe???

 

I think the Earth is affected by forces from outside more than anything Humans have done. The intensity of the Sun, gravitational forces of the Moon and other forces scientists may not be aware of. There have been many recent discoveries by those who study astronomy. They believe that there are now asteriods which can come close to Earth, which are not detected until about 20 days before they appear in telescopes. There is some talk of other planets having a direct effect on the Earth.

 

Global warming through burning fossil fuels is just a small part of a much more complicated mix of issues.

[tobyjugg2]

I'm not an expert, but I haven't seen any effect of this man made global warming.

Instead I have seen documentaries explaining that the earth goes through phases of warming and cooling on a regular basis and has done so for billions of years.

No, hung on: The earth is only 10 thousand years old accordingly to some.

Who to believe???

 

 

You have seen info-mercials funded by the petroleum lobbies rehashing and spinning facts. The vast majority of real climate scientists (97% see links) now clearly believe that man made climate change is both a reality and a real danger.

 

 

The earth does go through periods of heating and cooling BUT consider this,

 

The Earths current cycle should be causing a period of cooler weather, yet is registering record high temperatures

 

These temperature variations in the Earths cycles generally occur over thousands of years (or at least hundreds), not a few decades - or even years as seems to be occurring now.

 

Dont take my word:

 

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/climate-change-facts-versus-opinions/

 

http://www.who.int/features/factfiles/climate_change/facts/en/

 

http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/basics/facts.html

Part:

Is climate change influenced more by human activities and excess greenhouse gases or changes in the sun's energy?

 

The sun has natural periods of warming and cooling. With satellites, scientists have measured fluctuations in the sun's energy and found that these recent variations have been small in comparison to human influences in the last several centuries, with no increase in solar energy in the past 50 years. [2] Thus, changes in the sun's energy cannot explain the warming we have seen over the past several decades. In contrast, the warming we are observing is consistent with the warming properties of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases that we are adding to the atmosphere.

[king12345]

I'm more inclined to believe what unclebulgaria said.

After all the same people who profess global warming are taxing us for utilities that cost pennies making a great profit

[tobyjugg2]

I'm more inclined to believe what unclebulgaria said.

After all the same people who profess global warming are taxing us for utilities that cost pennies making a great profit

 

With due respect to unclebulgaria, I think the researched opinion of 97% of trained climate scientists (backed by all major REAL scientific institutions eg NASA, WHO) holds more weight.

 

Only God's opinion should outweigh that, so the only other option is that the world is 4000 years old and God waved his wand to create oil as a punishment for mankinds evils, and the rapture is upon us.

(Equal offense or not intended to all religions)

[unclebulgaria67]

With due respect to unclebulgaria, I think the researched opinion of 97% of trained climate scientists (backed by all major REAL scientific institutions eg NASA, WHO) holds more weight.

 

Only God's opinion should outweigh that, so the only other option is that the world is 4000 years old and God waved his wand to create oil as a punishment for mankinds evils, and the rapture is upon us.

(Equal offense or not intended to all religions)

 

Mankind is wrecking the planet, but this has been the case for a long time. My biggest concern is deforestation, which is removing the lungs from the world and will lead to infertile soil conditions, so less space to grow food. Look at the amount of burning back of forest areas in Indonesia at the moment, as they seek space to plant more palm oil trees. They will knacker their own environment to make money and regret it in the years ahead. It is proven that if you remove the natural forestry that you upset the whole ecology of areas and you end up with soils that are poor for growing food crops.

 

The planet is heating up, with polar zones melting. This is caused by internal and external planet issues. It is one complicated mix of things.

 

If you want to make the situation better, get planting trees, quicker than they are being ripped out of the ground. If they don't stop what they are doing, then you will end up with a planet that is a mess to live in.

[tobyjugg2]

Planting trees is a darn good start. Not only are they large carbon sinks which also generate and clean the air we breath, they also prevent soil erosion in the increased rain and storms.

 

Heres some more :

http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/wycd/

[obiter dictum]

Planting trees is a good idea but when in Brazil an area the size of wales is being destroyed every day pales into comparrison.

 

You then have the two biggest poluters on the planet Uncle Sam and China sticking two fingers up at the Koyto climate change Protocol

 

What did the UK Government do? Siezed the moment to raise Green taxes in the name of climate change to fill the treasury.