RAF drone strke in Syria on 2 UK citizens

[tobyjugg2]

Migrants are wealth creators. They pay through direct and indirect taxation which inturn gives a boost to the internal economy of Germany.

 

Only when there is work to be had and there isn't already more potential workers than work.

 

 

On a side note, Cameron today announced that the RAF are making drone strikes 'in self-defense' in Syria (in addition to the RAF officers making strikes with US forces) despite the British Parliament vote denting permission for action in Syria.

It seems Cameron didn't get it, and doesn't give a damn.

[Guest]

it was inevitable. next will be special forces (officially, as no doubt already there), then boots on the ground. they wont, if at all, be wholly defeated otherwise.

its a shame its come to all this. if only the lessons were learnt.

[SabreSheep]

I think it more worrying that Cameron decided to end the lives of British Citizens without a trial, and behind closed doors.

 

Dont get me wrong, they deserve it, BUT I worry about the slippery slope this leads too.

 

Effectively 2 UK citizens just got executed.

[obiter dictum]

Since when did state sanctioned execution be lawful without a trial??

 

Everyone has the right to life, not matter what heinous crimes perpetrated

 

I think the fall out from this in the international community will force Camerons resignation

 

He has stuck two fingers up to parliament and international law

[citizenB]

Since when did state sanctioned execution be lawful without a trial??

 

Everyone has the right to life, not matter what heinous crimes perpetrated

 

I think the fall out from this in the international community will force Camerons resignation

 

He has stuck two fingers up to parliament and international law

 

Worked for Blair !!

[obiter dictum]

Even though liar Blair is a war criminal

 

Who did he order state sanctioned murder on one of its own citizens without a trial??

[Guest]

Who did he order state sanctioned murder on one of its own citizens without a trial??

 

our soldiers that were killed in the 'illegal' war?

[SabreSheep]

I can see it now in mosques across Britain

 

"Look what the infidel Cameron has done. He has executed 2 British Muslims without a trial! "

 

He just played right into ISIS's hands and just helped radacalise a dozen more.

 

The guys should of been snatched and returned here for trial

 

And then sentenced to 200 years hard labour with no chance of release.

[obiter dictum]

Soldiers were deployed as state sanctioned combatants when Blair instigated the Parliament Act.

 

So the second gulf war cannot be illegal

[obiter dictum]

I can see it now in mosques across Britain

 

"Look what the infidel Cameron has done. He has executed 2 British Muslims without a trial! "

 

He just played right into ISIS's hands and just helped radacalise a dozen more.

 

The guys should of been snatched and returned here for trial

 

And then sentenced to 200 years hard labour with no chance of release.

 

I agree

 

Make an example of them

 

You can run but you can never hide from British Justice

 

That British justice of fair play has now been dragged through the mud. The UK has always been regarded as fair in applying the rule of law on the international stage. We may never recover from this.

 

Putin will make political gain out of this and exploit

[Guest]

Soldiers were deployed as state sanctioned combatants when Blair instigated the Parliament act.

 

So the second gulf war cannot be illegal

 

it was illegal apparently, no justification under the international law of self defence.

afghanistan following 9/11 maybe, but not iraq.

[obiter dictum]

it was illegal apparently, no justification under the international law of self defence.

afghanistan following 9/11 maybe, but not iraq.

 

Legal under UK Law

 

Illegal under international law

[obiter dictum]

A benchmark of international law is that:

 

There can be no punishment without law

 

Blame Magna Carta for that, long before the United Nations and the ECHR

[Guest]

Legal under UK Law

 

 

not possible, if not legal under international law. ultra vires

[obiter dictum]

I totally agree with you Ford

 

Liar Blair went over parliament with the Parliament act as supreme dictator. He had illusions of being "The little Corporal"

[Conniff]

Data collection and intelligence would have been the judge and jury here. You or me will never know what was in that data that made this strike necessary and now.

[Conniff]

I totally agree with you Ford

 

Liar Blair went over parliament with the Parliament act as supreme dictator. He had illusions of being "The little Corporal"

 

Our system of government don't allow for dictatorships, he had to take the commons with him. All Blair could do was tell a story and put an urgency on it that gave no time for checking the story before the action so he carried them with him.

[tobyjugg2]

Our system of government don't allow for dictatorships, he had to take the commons with him. All Blair could do was tell a story and put an urgency on it that gave no time for checking the story before the action so he carried them with him.

 

Errrr

You mean like Cameron and the British Parliaments SPECIFIC refusal for British military action/strikes in Syria?

 

Blair at least had the passive support of the majority of Parliament (and probably the majority of the UK public) for the Kuwait/Iraq military action.

 

Whatever happened to all the calls for investigation of Cameron for 'misleading' Parliament?

[citizenB]

The only reason we are getting our knickers in a knot is that 2 of the people who were killed in the strike were British. However, they turned their back on Britain when they went out there to fight. If we had put "boots on the ground" - would we be getting uptight if they had killed any of our soldiers ! No of course we wouldn't we would be saying that "they knew the risks when they signed up".

 

Well so did those 2 guys.

[obiter dictum]

There can be no punishment without trial

 

A cornerstone of British democracy

 

Magna Carta

 

Predates even the United Nations and the ECHR by 7 Centuries

 

We even gave the Nazi a trial at Nuremberg before we strung them up

[unclebulgaria67]

This was assassination dressed up as self defence. As Max Hastings points out in the Daily Mail today, ISIS are more interested in setting up a caliphate in Iraq and Syria, possibly expanding into other Islamic countries. At the moment we don't know if ISIS are planning any attacks on western countries. It there is no evidence that these two people killed by a drone were actively plotting an attack on UK mainland or on UK assets, then the self defence argument is nonsense and it was an illegal action. If this ends up in court, no self defence evidence is provided, the person who authorised it, could face prosecution.

 

I have no sympathy for anyone fighting terrorist causes and can totally understand actions against them. But where is the plan to deal with ISIS properly. UK/US might have to deal with Assad in helping his forces removed ISIS. The Russians will need to be supportive as well given their relationship with Syria. This does not mean that we want Assad to continue ruling Syria in the same way as before and we should make this clear. On the Iraq side andTurkish side there will need to be assistance by a coaltion of forces to bolster the defences to stop ISIS escaping, spreading the war elsewhere.

 

If we don't sort this mess out soon, in a few years it will be even worse. Max Hastings thinks ISIS will run out of steam in a few years and just disappear, but i don't think this is the case,given that they apparently have huge resources of money, arms and fighters.

[Conniff]

Errrr

You mean like Cameron and the British Parliaments SPECIFIC refusal for British military action/strikes in Syria?

 

Blair at least had the passive support of the majority of Parliament (and probably the majority of the UK public) for the Kuwait/Iraq military action.

 

Whatever happened to all the calls for investigation of Cameron for 'misleading' Parliament?

 

The only reason we are getting our knickers in a knot is that 2 of the people who were killed in the strike were British. However, they turned their back on Britain when they went out there to fight. If we had put "boots on the ground" - would we be getting uptight if they had killed any of our soldiers ! No of course we wouldn't we would be saying that "they knew the risks when they signed up".

 

Well so did those 2 guys.

 

I'm sorry but I am fully with Citizen on this one. They denounced their British citizenship when they left the country and took up arms to fight against Britain.

 

All this silly outcry holds no water. Everyone will be joyous and applauding when jihadi john is eventually taken out, so what is the difference.

 

Accusations and calling it an assassination can't be substantiated without knowing the facts and I doubt if they will be released for fear of exposing intelligence sources, quite rightly.

[obiter dictum]

So just for political expediency 800 years of the rule of law is thrown out the window??

 

We are talking of constitutional law

 

Who crowned Cameron supreme emperor??

[Conniff]

Cameron did 'not' do this on his own, there will have been meetings with military and intelligence chiefs as well as members of the cabinet.

 

I'll repeat what I said earlier:

 

Everyone will be joyous and applauding when jihadi john is eventually taken out, so what is the difference.

[obiter dictum]

Everyone is disgusted that this is nothing more than state sanctioned murder contrary to the rule of law

 

The final say was Cameron, the buck stops with him

 

It is about time he stopped playing party politics with our judicial system.

 

The amount of times the courts have overturned his policy decision during his tenure supports that conclusion

 

He will have to answer for this, the Russians and Chinese will not let this go away at the security council