Ross and roberts bailiffs parking ticket in torbay

[darkandstormy]

people in this country need to wake up and smell the coffee quicktime,

because r&r are harassing people with incorrect information.

 

 

i have a similar case, with Torbay who are chasing me for £90 for a ticket

which i appealed against and woin the case,

and they are using them to get the money, but thankfully i am an ex cab adviser,

so i know what they can, and cannot do, and i am just waiting for them to try that,

as i have already warned them not to trespass on my property because i will forcibly remove them.

 

 

i am sorry that you have this stress, b ut i would advise you to get to the cab

or anyof the other legal advice centres like yesterday, and let them talk to them, who would tell them to back off.

 

 

it may be too late as you have l;et them inside your house and they can return

and get in especially if there is a window left open for then to squeeze through.

 

 

i will be posting my encounter with them on this and my page as well,

because i want the world to know i kicked their butts off my property.

[darkandstormy]

There is already a hex on all bailiffs, we call it voodoo, and it works, cant wait to put one on ross and roberts if they turn up at my door on behalf of another council called torbay. I am cooking up another spell right now, on both of them.

 

Where is the stupid law that should protect us , but then allows uso of intimidate consumers.

 

I am so glad about sites like you, and I would advise anyone with similar probelms to use this site as it always point you in the right direction, and others will always help you in someway shape or form. Ask a question dont a fool and never ask one.

[darkandverystormy]

Sending text messages of a threatening nature is a criminal offence, punishable by a fine of up to £20,000, or up to six months' imprisonment or both. The offence is created by Section 127, Communications Act 2003 (Misuse of a Public Electronic Telecommunications System). The police can arrest offenders under Section 24, Police & Criminal Evidence Act 1984.

 

 

Maybe I am from a different planet "old bill" but where did I mention about sending threatening text messages in my article about ross and roberts ?

 

Secondly: po pos have no right getting involved because it is a civil matter and they should not stick their noses in by these who think they have these powers.

 

 

The law stinks in this and many other countries, but adding to an already stupid arrogant moronic, enforcement force just makes matters with rand r even worse.

 

 

So if they do bring them , you can tell them it has nothing to with them .

 

You also have the right to use reasonable force to remove these from your property,

and again the po pos cannot get involved.

 

 

So old bill get your facts right before you start writing complete rubbish to my thread.

Read learn and inwardly digest my thread before you answer it

[i hate bailiffs]

i wouldn't expect too much guidance if that is your attitude:mad2:

 

you have a nice day:wave:

[wonkeydonkey]

OB was not accusing you of sending threatening texts to the bailiffs.....he was commenting on them sending threatening texts to you and outlined carefully the reason it is seen to be unlawful for them to do so.

 

Far from offering you a' LOAD OF COMLETE DIABOLICAL RUBBISH' he offered you guidance to the breaches in law the bailiff could possibly be seen to have made, which if used correctly by you, they would have given you a good argument to making a complaint.

 

Perhaps if you read his post and inwardly digest it you just might learn something?

 

WD

[old bill]

Darkandverystormy,

 

The police can intervene in matters involving certificated bailiffs where offences under the Criminal Law are committed by the bailiffs. Such offences include, but are not restricted to -

 

Fraud by False Misrepresentation (Section 2, Fraud Act 2006)*

Being in Possession of An Article for Use in Connection with Fraud (Section 6, Fraud Act 2006)*

False Accounting (Section 17, Theft Act 1968)*

Theft (Section 1, Theft Act 1968)

Burglary (Section 9, Theft Act 1968)

Blackmail (Section 21, Theft Act 1968)

Assault (in varying degrees)*

Misuse of A Public Electronic Telecommunications System (Section 127, Communications Act 2003)*

Sending a Communication Containing A Threat (Section 1, Malicious Communications Act 1988)*

 

The offences I have marked with an asterisk are the offences most commonly committed by certificated bailiffs. Sending threatening and intimidating text messages to debtors is a very common offence. Simply because a certificated bailiff is executing a warrant in respect of a civil or council tax debt or an unpaid PCN, this does not mean the bailiff is exempt from compliance with the law in all respects. In fact, the conduct of certificated bailiffs is expected to be above reproach. The reality is only 1% of them behave in a manner that is above reproach and they are the ones who follow the law the letter, make a good living and are very successful.

 

The problem a debtor has with forcibly removing certificated bailiffs who have made forcible entry against the terms and conditions of a warrant and/or the Distress for Rent Rules 1988 is that bailiffs lie and will ring the police and claim they have been assaulted and that you are the villain of the peace, not them. I have seen such cases on CAG and another site I post on.

 

OB

[darkandstormy]

Why are these idiots allowed to charge these extortionate fees,

I am in the same situation where they taken my livelihood by visiting my proerty

clamping my vehicle then lying to the Police saying that I had assaulted him,

removed my vehicle which is electronically tagged,

and they are now trying to charge me £1028.44 instead of what was quoted on the letter

recieved 24hr s before the head Manager Baker increased the fees. which was £528.04 .

 

He is now trying to Bully me into paying this amount and has threatened to auction my vehicle with all of my musical gear inside of it.

 

He has also stated that he can sell with without any MOT/ Log Book/ keys,

and what he does not realise is that the vehicle has been modified,

and without the key it will be of no use to anyone.

 

 

Every single action that has been done, is against the CEO regulations and many other acts of Law,

yet they are allowed to just walk into people's houses and property and treat them like this.

 

What the hell has happened to up-keeping the law?

what has happened to the Law?

what has happened to the upholders/ keepers of the law?

 

 

I am really shocked even after reading the book by John Kruse,

it has not really helped me in the manner that I should help me

as no one wants to take on these arrogant, rude, ignorant, belligerent people,

who are just screwing up vulnerable people's lives..

 

What is going on with these people and is there anyone who can offer any constructive help.

The Solicitors in Wiltshire have not got a clue about civil law.]

 

CAN SOMEONE HELP?

[brassnecked]

Darkandstormy if you would like to start your own thread Caggers will be able to target help, you can use the one i have started for you here:

 

 

 

What bailiff company is this and is it a court fine or Council PCN or Council Tax?

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[darkandstormy]

as i have stated these people appear to be allowed to be as extortionate as they want to be.

 

 

they break all of the rules of the governing body of civil enforcement regulations,

the office of fair trading regulations, and the law of tort, and they make up their own laws as they see fit.

 

 

that is illegal, but the legal system which is supposed to protect the population,

runs in the opposite direction faster than hussain bolt!

 

 

the solicitors don't want to challenge them because there is no legal aid for it,

criminal legal aid is hard enough to get. there are less and less civil solicitors available.

 

 

ross and roberts, head office manager is a person i have ever had the total displeasure to deal with,

but the councils who employs ross and robert's are also to blame,

as they seem to give contract to this company, and allow them to embaress the council with their arrogant ,

ignorant behaviour. torbay being the culprit.

 

 

when he sent his operative to clamp my car last saturday, who then then told a story to thew police in order

to get me removed from the scene so he could take me car from my property in wiltshire.

 

 

the law says that they cannot remove items more valuable than the debt,

yet he took my vehicle worth £200,00 which had my work tool worth £5000 stored in it,

and then this manager says he is going to sell my car in an auction on monday without the log book

, with out the keys, because i still have both keys, and all the documents.

 

 

where do these people come form. .

their office in torbay then sent me a letter which arrived some days letter with one fee,

when i decided to pay it, it appeared to be changed by the manager to double the amount to £1028,

and he is threatening tho sell my car on the 15th if it is not paid,

all against the rules of enforcement, the freedom of protection act 2012, and no one does a "dam" thing about it.

 

 

the complaint process if all in favour , because "they all stick together likew the proverbial to a brick wall"

i.e torbay council= culprit here, wiltshire council, and all the other councils who employ them to intimidate people like myself and my wife, and even more vulnerable people who have not got any idea what to do,

 

 

when they turn upo on theior doorstep and create holy hell.

if you are a private tenant get your landlord to come and remove them,

under the law of tort, you have the right to revoke anyone's implied invitation..

. ie the post, the milkman, the delivery, they are all implied,

revoked are like ross and robert's and all the other bullies in this business.

 

 

how disgustingly low has this country become when they are allowed to be as there are,

i have tried to involve several people, ie my councillor, waste of time, and next week, my mp.

 

 

i will more than likely start another thread on how useless he was,

but he might be the beginning of the end of them, as i am starting this campaign,

and i hope there will be thousands and thousands of you, who help.

 

 

i need help before monday, is there anyone, with civil litigation knowledge who will help me like over the weekend etc,

to find oout exactly where i stand and what i can do. my solicitor says to complete an n!,

but even with my limited civil knowledge, i know that is incorrect, thet n1 is for claiming m,omney

from someone who owes you, they dont, i just want my vehicle back and the tools of my trade.

 

basic advice: never ever allow them to enter into your house,

they cannot (contrary what a lot of bad advice is on the net)

break in, or force their way in unless you have allowed them in in the first place.

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[ploddertom]

I understand your anger & frustration but can you tell us what this relates to and any history that goes with it?

[darkandstormy]

This matter started about 20 months agai when i got a parking ticket in torbay,

i won the first appeal from the parking tribunal,

they won the appeal after the appeal,

which in matter like this happens,

 

 

just because you area council does not mean that you are right.

I was tenacious about this all and refused to pay the fine, simply because the ticket was not on the car it was posted to me.

 

 

Maybe someone removed it but that is not my problem, so as far as i will ever care,

the ticket was never on my car for me.

 

 

.. When `i disagreed with every letter they torbay sent the alleged debt to ross and roberts.. T

her rest is explicitly explained .

 

 

No matter what anyone says the natter is far from finished,

and they have committed several offences according to the several laws that are in place,

even if i did notmpay the fine, they have broken the law in trying to collect it.

[darkandstormy]

If I decide to pay the fine I want to take them to court for the damages and loss of earnings ,

the removal of my tools of my trade.

 

 

WHAT IS THE FORM4. SURELY IS THERE IS ABUSE AND VIOLENCE AND AVUSE,

SURELY THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE NOT CRIMINAL. THANKS

 

Torbay parking services are very insipid idiots in their attitude towards the bailiffs who work for them..

.. How pathetic is that.parking service would not even give me or my solicitor the basic details of the ticket and put the phone down on both of us.

 

 

Yes they are sleeping with capita and ross because capita is owned by capita,

and betwen them both they made ,£6-7+ milion profit last year from harassing people for debt.

 

 

Where is the legislation to protect us?

Is this not what we vote our politicians for?

What are they doing for us?

Why are the supposed upholders of the law?

Why arent they doing their job correctly?

[tomtubby]

In your 2nd post you have provided a small amount of background but basically you have repeated the previous post.

 

As I understand it, you received a parking ticket. You appealed the PCN and this was rejected and you then took advantage of taking your appeal to NPAS. The adjudicator ruled in your favor and it would seem that the local authority appealed this decision and NPAS reconsidered the matter and ruled against you. You were therefore find liable to pay the PCN.

 

From what you have written, you are not satisfied at the outcome and have refused to pay the PCN ( which I assume would have been a £50 ticket).

 

The local authority have registered the debt and authorised a warrant of execution which has been passed to Ross & Roberts and they have removed a vehicle that is worth £200,000. Can you confirm the amount of the vehicle.

 

There appears to be a serious matter of "excessive seizure" by a bailiff is legally allowed to take an item with a far greater value if there are NO OTHER ITEMS of a lesser value available.

 

The problem that you appear to have is that you correctly opted to have the matter of the PCN decided by NPAS and although you won, the decision was overturned when the local authority appealed. The local authority are therefore legally entitled to pursue the PCN by getting a warrant.

 

Can you please explain a but more about the value of the vehicle. What type of vehicle is it.

 

Did the bailiff provide a Notice of Seizure and did the notice detail the additional items?

 

Also, what date was the vehicle taken?

[darkandstormy]

gramtrad, you really are dealing with a bunch of idiots. My situation is very similar to yours but with swindon borough clowncil and ross & robbers. Report them to action fraud, i have done and they do take you seriously unlike the councils. Ross and roberts have a shock coming to them soon.

 

wow, thank magna carter, i am in wiltshire as well, and ross and robert's fools,

go and see your mp, and make a complaint, if we all do this they will have to pay a massive bond next year

 

 

.. I am going to complain and complain until i drop,

then my wife will continue the war against these bullies.

There is a vodoo spell on these who took my car.