Investigation into Police van parked illegally outside of Greggs bakery

[BankFodder]

Motorists and shoppers looked on as the Oficer left the vehical parked on the pavement to nip in to Greggs, in union street, sunderland during lunchtime.

One city-centre motorist said “These parking laws should apply to everybody, the police seem to be ignoring the restrictions they are meant to be enforcing.”

Mototists can be fined up to £70 for parking on double-yellow lines which are enforced 24 hours a day.

 

http://sunderlandnow.co.uk/news/10-local-news/2114-investigation-into-police-van-parked-illegally-outside-of-greggs-bakery.html#

[Conniff]

What can one say except 'Ooooow'.

[Migster]

And as if by magic, here's another from this evening's Standard http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/coffee-cops-officers-park-on-double-yellow-to-nip-into-mcdonalds-8459640.html

[green_and_mean]

The vehicle is permitted to park on double yellow lines regardless of the reason so no law has been broken, it may be anti social but hardly warrants an invesigation.

[renegadeimp]

Hes parked on the pavement for personal reasons though. Not in any pfficial capacity which woupd allow them to do so.

[green_and_mean]

Hes parked on the pavement for personal reasons though. Not in any pfficial capacity which woupd allow them to do so.

 

Parking on the footway outside of London is not illegal for a start and assuming he is in uniform any vehicle can park with the permission of a police constable in uniform, thats the law like it or not.

[sailor sam]

The vehicle is permitted to park on double yellow lines regardless of the reason so no law has been broken, it may be anti social but hardly warrants an invesigation.

 

Funny isn't it that there also appears to be 'no loading' marks at the location also. And is it not an offence to park a vehicle on DYL's anymore then? (i.e. leave it unattended)

 

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[sailor sam]

Parking on the footway outside of London is not illegal for a start and assuming he is in uniform any vehicle can park with the permission of a police constable in uniform, thats the law like it or not.

 

So why are the police 'investigating' then?

 

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[BazzaS]

Parking on the footway outside of London is not illegal for a start and assuming he is in uniform any vehicle can park with the permission of a police constable in uniform, thats the law like it or not.

 

Some conflicting moral / ethical viewpoints here, aside from the legal aspect.

 

Why should the police be allowed to "get away with it" when an ordinary person would be ticketed, vs.

"What if they had received an emergency call?"

 

They should be able to get refreshments during a shift, and if the alternative is:

1) get stood down for a break

2) park legally a way away, but be unavailable to respond for a while while on a break.

 

So, if not available to respond to an emergency, then no waiver of the "rules". If parking there so as to maintain / increase their ability to respond to protect the public : waiver.

How can we tell by looking at a photo which is the case?.

[green_and_mean]

Funny isn't it that there also appears to be 'no loading' marks at the location also. And is it not an offence to park a vehicle on DYL's anymore then? (i.e. leave it unattended)

 

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What has the 'no loading' got to do with it unless you think buying a Geggs pasty is classed as loading? Its not an offence to leave a Police vehicle on any parking restriction, for obvious reasons unless of course you think next time you dial 999 they should drive around looking for a pay and display bay before coming to assist you? Traffic orders exempt Police vehicles there is no extra clause that states that the exemption only applies provided they are not going into a shop to buy lunch.

[Conniff]

The vehicle is permitted to park on double yellow lines regardless of the reason so no law has been broken, it may be anti social but hardly warrants an invesigation.

 

I think I would like a link to that piece of legislation pse ??

[sailor sam]

What has the 'no loading' got to do with it unless you think buying a Geggs pasty is classed as loading? Its not an offence to leave a Police vehicle on any parking restriction, for obvious reasons unless of course you think next time you dial 999 they should drive around looking for a pay and display bay before coming to assist you? Traffic orders exempt Police vehicles there is no extra clause that states that the exemption only applies provided they are not going into a shop to buy lunch.

 

Don't be ridiculous! The RTA applies to police vehicles as well unless they are responding to an emergency. Please provide a link to the appropriate 'exemptions' which allow police vehicles to park on double yellow lines unless acting on official police business. I'm sure the 'exemptions' you refer to (if they exist) would of been pointed out by the police in the editorial above.

 

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[renegadeimp]

Green and mean, it is not an offense IF the officers of that vehicle are going about official business. The officers in question were clearly not, and were going about personal business.

[green_and_mean]

I think I would like a link to that piece of legislation pse ??

 

All Sunderland TROs contain the same exemptions:

 

2. Save as provided in Articles 7, 8 and 9 of this Order no person shall, except

upon the direction or with the permission of a police constable in uniform or of

a traffic warden, cause or permit any vehicle to wait in any of the lengths of

road specified in Schedule 1 to this Order, on such days and during such hours

as are specified in the said Schedule.

[renegadeimp]

You do understand that what you quoted implies that the officer was on official business right? Right?

[green_and_mean]

You do understand that what you quoted implies that the officer was on official business right? Right?

 

Where does it imply that??

[renegadeimp]

When the phrase "an officer in uniform" is used, it is taken to mean that the officer is acting in an official capacity. Not simply so he can park outside greggs to get a sausage role cos he couldnt be bothered walking the extra few hundred yards.

[green_and_mean]

Green and mean, it is not an offense IF the officers of that vehicle are going about official business. The officers in question were clearly not, and were going about personal business.

 

So you think it was their day off and they just decided to dress up in uniform and borrow a van?

[renegadeimp]

Ok. I think im going to bow out of this. You seem intent on either starting an argument, or trying to justify your false assumptions. The police were not acting in an official capacity, as it was their offtime which still doesnt allow them to park like that, and unless you think buying a sausage roll constitutes them stopping crime......

 

Take care.

[sailor sam]

So you think it was their day off and they just decided to dress up in uniform and borrow a van?

 

Or they could of been filming an episode of the Bill!!

 

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[green_and_mean]

When the phrase "an officer in uniform" is used, it is taken to mean that the officer is acting in an official capacity. Not simply so he can park outside greggs to get a sausage role cos he couldnt be bothered walking the extra few hundred yards.

 

So next time an 'officer in uniform' requests you to stop you can refuse because you didn't know if he was acting in his official capacity or just wanted to say hello!!

[green_and_mean]

Or they could of been filming an episode of the Bill!!

 

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only if they had a time machine!

[renegadeimp]

So next time an 'officer in uniform' requests you to stop you can refuse because you didn't know if he was acting in his official capacity or just wanted to say hello!!

 

You completely misinterpreted my words and came up with a rather puzzling conclusion, but thats ok.

[green_and_mean]

You completely misinterpreted my words and came up with a rather puzzling conclusion, but thats ok.

 

I didn't misinterpret anything I was just pointing out the flaw in your assumption, a police officer in uniform is just that there is no 'on duty' added or 'on an emergency' clause. A police constable in uniform has the same powers whilst on duty or off, if he was on his way to Greggs in his lunch break and in uniform and saw you on your mobile driving past it would still be an offence not to stop.

[sailor sam]

Perhaps G & M would like to explain as to how the police officers were apparently prosecuted by their own force for doing exactly the same in this item? Why didn't they use his exemption in this case?

 

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/9740049.Shopping_police_officers__illegal_parking_caught_on_camera/

 

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