Welfare cuts-more to come says Cameron

[MARTIN3030]

But he rules out Mansion Tax

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19864056

[worried33]

of course, given what they have done since been in power I think its quite clear their main agenda and almost only agenda is to rip apart welfare. apart from welfare what else has been in the news from them on any kind of consistent basis?

[Nystagmite]

Right, so he can afford to give those earning over £150k a year a tax cut; but he can't afford to give under-25s (from what has been reported this year about this issue) housing benefit? Not all under-25s are lucky enough to live at home. Many went to uni at 18, graduated at 21 / 22, why should they be forced to move back home? If I had carried on my degree, I would have needed to stay where I was - there are no jobs in the sector for the degree which I was studying where I live now.

[worried33]

that article shows some stark truths.

 

he said council tax is frozen, but anyone who is on a low enough income to get council tax benefit who is not a pensioner does not have frozen council tax, they are facing increases of over 20% next year.

He said nhs and schools wont be affected because we all rely on those services.

He said we are on the sid eof the working families.

He said he thinks its unfair someone young unemployed can get housing benefit whilst someone going to uni cant.

 

Thats as bold as I have seen pretty much stating hes waging a class war.

 

Life isnt fair mr cameron, is it fair that different people get paid different wages, is it fair we all come across different barriers in life, is it fair some of us are born into rich families and others into poverty, the welfare state is supposed to help the vulnerable he is using it as a tool to try and make out the fortunate have it unfair. If someone doesnt qualify for housing benefit then they are fortunate not unlucky, it means they have some money. What really makes me hate him is his attitude that he thinks its all just about hard work, he is disprispecting everyone with those comments thats out of work as if they doing it out of lazyness and also everyone who works for a wage that is low enough that needs state help, as he is indicating they dont work hard enough.

[MARTIN3030]

I am also confused that he says there will be no increases in Council Tax for the third year.

But is it not right that in 2013 Council Tax benefit as we know it will be scrapped for what will be called Local Council Tax assistance.Under these proposals maximum support will be based on 80% of a persons Council Tax liability after other discounts such as single person discount have been applied.All households will have to pay the first 20% of their council tax bill with any assistance from the council calculated on the other 80%.

[Nystagmite]

There will be exceptions, such as pensioners. Some councils are also giving assistance to disabled people. Mine isn't.

 

I'm never going to move out at this rate.

[worried33]

effectively what he is saying is anyone who has the increase doesnt matter, the people who have the freeze is all he cares about. Its a class war.

[worried33]

There will be exceptions, such as pensioners. Some councils are also giving assistance to disabled people. Mine isn't.

 

I'm never going to move out at this rate.

 

Pensioners arent really an excepetion, they are the majority of claims which is why those bearing the increases is such high amounts. They also the majority of the total welfare budget, he is targeting a small group of people that wont affect election results thanks to media brainwashing.

[MARTIN3030]

But the Pensioners wont be easily fooled.

[MARTIN3030]

Second adult rebate is also being removed too.

[Nystagmite]

They kept that one quiet!

[Stan Lee]

I wish I could say I was more surprised, but my impression of the current administration has been that they have presided over a 'cutting' agenda harsher than Thatcher managed in the eighties.

 

No, what worries me more is that Labour have been adopting some of the same rhetoric about cuts, and I'm not even sure the general public is overly behind this. The current government could not achieve a majority in parliament despite facing a party that had been in power since the 90s, a party that had dragged the country into a deeply unpopular war, and a party headed by an inarticulate Scottish prime minister that didn't sell well to the chattering classes in the South of England in the way that Tony Blair did.

 

The thing is, I want a voice in parliament for the disabled and chronically ill; I'm not sure Labour is that voice, especially after their own track record in power. The Lib Dems certainly aren't: although a week is a long time in politically, I fully expect the Liberal Democrats to go the way of the Dodo after the next election (and despite their protestations to the contrary, it would have been possible for a Tory government to be ran as a minority government; people seem to forget that Salmond has managed it up in Scotland, despite a deeply hostile Scottish political parliament).

 

Anyway, rant over. Off to bed, after I raise a beer to my fellow CAGers.

[down'n'out]

Those out of work for more than a year should have their benefits docked by 20%, a panel of leading Conservative thinkers have said.

Anyone on Jobseeker’s Allowance for more than six months would also be obliged to undertake 30 hours of work in their local community each week under the controversial plans, which will be discussed at this week’s Conservative Party conference.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9591875/Long-term-jobless-take-a-20-dole-cut-and-work-in-the-community.html

[rainbo]

£10billion welfare cuts/savings to come before 2016. Yet no mansion tax, or higher tax for high earners, and don't even get me started on the bankers and legal tax havens...

 

Words fail me.

[fightingback99]

And yet the loss of reveinue to UK from creative off shore accounting is estimated at £70 billion , and that doesn't include the revenue loss from huge companies exploiting Corporation Tax loopholes, preferring instead to keep this as profit.

 

Nothing will change until we somehow have a new political party. Maybe some of the honest,experienced and knowledgable forum posters should put their head together and consider it.?.

[RaeUK]

... Nothing will change until we somehow have a new political party. Maybe some of the honest,experienced and knowledgable forum posters should put their head together and consider it.?.

 

In my dreams. As I said elsewhere here, those of us who are unemployed, disabled or long term sick have no-one left to vote for.

[RaeUK]

The more I think about this the more annoyed I get. I'm no politician and CAG ain't the place for politics. But, hey ho, I'm not blessed with a startingly amazing intellect either.

I just hope and pray that those who are involved with the politics of speaking up for the disabled, for the long term sick and for the long term unemployed do pick up on the facts. Because the only way to defend ourselves is with the facts. This government chose to make us media devils. They chose to highlight welfare cuts as the panacea for the problems the country faces. The media are sharks and happily gobbled up the bait. But they don't really respect any one particular feeder and it's good to see reports appearing that defend the situation we find ourselves in. It's comforting to see them picking up on the fact that, actually, only 0.9% of the welfare budget is lost in fraud. less than is lost through maladministration. Less than is lost to pie in the sky NHS computer systems. We need these facts to be trumpeted from the rooftops. We need the general populace to appreciate we have been made scapegoats.

[estellyn]

In my dreams. As I said elsewhere here, those of us who are unemployed, disabled or long term sick have no-one left to vote for.

 

I think the difficulty is that there is a giant gaping chasm between government and politics - while those that are supposed to be doing the governing are in fact just 'playing politics' are calling it governing - which it isn't, they're only promoting their political agenda. Nobody represents the people any more - the whip system and lobbyists ensure that along with a media hand in glove with politicians and promoting their propaganda. Politicians have become adept at first telling people how to think (via their media outlets) and then doing the will of the 'people' who are simply regurgitating the views spouted in the media. Off course these views come straight from a group of people (mainly men) who wouldn't know real life (that we know) if they fell over it.

 

Even those few MP's who do think for themselves and want to represent their constituents, soon find out when elected that their options when it comes to voting are truly limited if they want to continue with the party they have chosen.

 

There won't be true democracy until we have PR, no whip system and a requirement for all those being put forward to be MP's to have done say, 2000 hours of service to the underprivilgeed of the community which they intend to one day represent.

[osdset]

We may find it's not the sick/disabled that begin the fight against this government, but rather their loved ones.

Every ESA claimant is someones husband/wife, son/daughter, brother/sister. And when people who care about their families realise the extent of the damage being done, it's they who will bring this government to account.

[jadeybags]

If we're running out of money, what other ways could there be for them to get some back? Not saying I agree with them, I don't know enough about it. But genuinely interested in what alternatives there could be. Stopping prosecuting 2k benefit frauds, & letting people get away with tax credit fraud for years & only investigating one year could be a start?At the moment there is no incentive to be honest when claiming tax credits, as they rarely look back more than a year. Must be loads being over paid there.

[debt4get]

''He will suggest removing the rise in child support jobless parents receive as they have more children.''

another wonderful suggestion, not....the 'think tank' believes that jobless parents should be controlled by limiting the amount of children they produce whilst on welfare..as it is unfair that people in work have to make choices about having children based on their income, whilst the feckless unemployed can reproduce at will knowing the 'taxpayers' will pick up the bill...they are advocating paying for 1st child only, any others will have to starve, or live in poverty(i did have the link but for some reason bbc news have removed it)

[debt4get]

''Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg told his own party's conference last month that he would not allow "wild suggestions" of a £10bn cut in welfare and Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander told delegates: "We simply will not allow the books to be balanced in a way that hits the poorest hardest."

well we now see if cleggs got the b*lls to stand up for his own convictions...somehow i think not!!

he aint gonna get his 'mansion tax' osbourne has the gall to say in the newspiece that higher rate tax payers ''may' have to have a tax rise, what? you've just given them a tax cut!!! this bunch of incompetents need to go away and go away fast before the damage done becomes irreversible, though i fear from labours ideas that it is already too late....

use your vote, you get blue tory, red tory, or yellow tory...god save us from politicians in this country!!

[debt4get]

The more I think about this the more annoyed I get. I'm no politician and CAG ain't the place for politics. But, hey ho, I'm not blessed with a startingly amazing intellect either.

I just hope and pray that those who are involved with the politics of speaking up for the disabled, for the long term sick and for the long term unemployed do pick up on the facts. Because the only way to defend ourselves is with the facts. This government chose to make us media devils. They chose to highlight welfare cuts as the panacea for the problems the country faces. The media are sharks and happily gobbled up the bait. But they don't really respect any one particular feeder and it's good to see reports appearing that defend the situation we find ourselves in. It's comforting to see them picking up on the fact that, actually, only 0.9% of the welfare budget is lost in fraud. less than is lost through maladministration. Less than is lost to pie in the sky NHS computer systems. We need these facts to be trumpeted from the rooftops. We need the general populace to appreciate we have been made scapegoats.

Rae we can shout it from the rooftops, but it won't make an ar*seholes amount of difference....until it actually affects anyone people are happy to believe the propaganda, that is daily spewed out by the press...we get some press that ''32 a week a dying for being denied benefit,'' but frankly the population as a whole doesnt care or want to care..they are too busy trying to keep a roof over their heads, and feeding their own families, whilst being bombarded by stories of benefit scroungers. until it affects a huge majority of people we aint gonna win....

[frank_begbie]

In my opinion the recession was deliberately started by governments around the world to create the conditions for the cuts we are now seeing.

 

That's why the recession will go on until they have made all the cuts they need. It all depends how far they want to go.

 

It doesn't really matter which party is in power, they are just the mouth piece for Corporations.

[debt4get]

In my opinion the recession was deliberately started by governments around the world to create the conditions for the cuts we are now seeing.

 

That's why the recession will go on until they have made all the cuts they need. It all depends how far they want to go.

 

It doesn't really matter which party is in power, they are just the mouth piece for Corporations.

agreed, we need to get rid of the bl**dy lot of em