Council Tax Benefit How many are aware of this?

[worried33]

Labour are not blameless, sorry if I come across that way.

 

On certian things both parties are bad. Labour eg. are not against these welfare cuts and they did set the wheels in motion. Personally I think if labour stayed in power things would not have been as brutal, eg. the bedroom tax, the one room rate for 25-35 year olds, the benefit cap, UC. I think these things wouldnt be happening under labour, but at the same time they may not have got harrington and then no things like recorded medicals. Also labour are not so anti taxing the rich as the tories, the upper tax rate was increased, and some one off tax's were imposed. We also were starting a recovery at the election, so its a plausible argument that labour's ideas for recovery were viable but they didnt have the time to see it through.

 

In terms of the banks, I think labour were wrong to bailout the banks, america did let their bank go bust, that of course caused the recession but america are now recovering better than us, likewise germany is who are not carrying out such severe austarity measures. I believe the tories did support the balout tho and are also allowing more funds to be released to the banks as well.

 

In terms of consumption taxes, I expect these are higher than historical levels, as there has been a deliberate shift of taxation so it affects the poor more than the rich. In terms of overall taxation since income tax is so low I mean very low, its not just a little low I believe overall taxation is still low. The key ones been are income and corporate tax since they provide large %'s of overall tax intake. No government can drop corporate tax without consequences, it has to be paid for by something.

 

Also the corporate tax drops are you aware only benefit large companies like tesco? small companies like your local garage didnt get any such drops.

 

Also if companies are getting claimants shipped to them for free labour where is the incentive to pay them full wages?

 

All I see is a social engineering exercise that is anti growth. That what it looks like to me and I do have qualifications in economics and business studies.

 

There is also the matter of the 30 something billion cash the government is sitting on unspent and the many billions of retained profits by uk companies not been invested. I personally believe demand is deliberatly been manipulated to prolong the recession so the social engineering has justification to continue, it would be harder to do all these cuts when the economy is booming.

 

The current welfare cuts are probably actually funding the corporate tax cuts for the likes of tesco.

 

Also interesting is not only that the deficit still exists which in my view isnt a major issue but also that it has increased since the election so its not only still there but that there is no progress after multiple years of austerity.

 

Think about who the government is really working for, only the rich get meetings with the top ministers they pay for these meetings, and we also have ceo's having hotlines to the ministers as well.

Edited October 7, 2012 by worried33

[frank_begbie]

Labour are not blameless, sorry if I come across that way.

 

On certian things both parties are bad. Labour eg. are not against these welfare cuts and they did set the wheels in motion. Personally I think if labour stayed in power things would not have been as brutal, eg. the bedroom tax, the one room rate for 25-35 year olds, the benefit cap, UC. I think these things wouldnt be happening under labour, but at the same time they may not have got harrington and then no things like recorded medicals. Also labour are not so anti taxing the rich as the tories, the upper tax rate was increased, and some one off tax's were imposed. We also were starting a recovery at the election, so its a plausible argument that labour's ideas for recovery were viable but they didnt have the time to see it through.

 

In terms of the banks, I think labour were wrong to bailout the banks, america did let their bank go bust, that of course caused the recession but america are now recovering better than us, likewise germany is who are not carrying out such severe austarity measures. I believe the tories did support the balout tho and are also allowing more funds to be released to the banks as well.

 

In terms of consumption taxes, I expect these are higher than historical levels, as there has been a deliberate shift of taxation so it affects the poor more than the rich. In terms of overall taxation since income tax is so low I mean very low, its not just a little low I believe overall taxation is still low. The key ones been are income and corporate tax since they provide large %'s of overall tax intake. No government can drop corporate tax without consequences, it has to be paid for by something.

 

Also the corporate tax drops are you aware only benefit large companies like tesco? small companies like your local garage didnt get any such drops.

 

Also if companies are getting claimants shipped to them for free labour where is the incentive to pay them full wages?

 

All I see is a social engineering exercise that is anti growth. That what it looks like to me and I do have qualifications in economics and business studies.

 

There is also the matter of the 30 something billion cash the government is sitting on unspent and the many billions of retained profits by uk companies not been invested. I personally believe demand is deliberatly been manipulated to prolong the recession so the social engineering has justification to continue, it would be harder to do all these cuts when the economy is booming.

 

The current welfare cuts are probably actually funding the corporate tax cuts for the likes of tesco.

 

Also interesting is not only that the deficit still exists which in my view isnt a major issue but also that it has increased since the election so its not only still there but that there is no progress after multiple years of austerity.

 

Think about who the government is really working for, only the rich get meetings with the top ministers they pay for these meetings, and we also have ceo's having hotlines to the ministers as well.

 

 

Its almost as if its all been planned.

[drop47]

Next someone will say it's a conspiracy. After all 21/12/2012 is getting closer

[worried33]

Next someone will say it's a conspiracy. After all 21/12/2012 is getting closer

 

Do you believe Bilderberg to be a myth?

[osdset]

Its almost as if its all been planned.

Which is exactly what it was.

[drop47]

I was actually talking about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world/ shift in behaviour that some people are waiting for. As for Bilderberg not sure what you refer to,the group or is there a theory about that as well.

[ziggylee]

I was actually talking about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world/ shift in behaviour that some people are waiting for. As for Bilderberg not sure what you refer to,the group or is there a theory about that as well.

That's very interesting, I remember a friend of mine who had the Nostradamus book with different bits highlighted, apparently they were places where he said the world was going to end in 2000! This was in late 80s/early 90s.

 

But I didn't know the Bilderbergs also predicted the end of the world, I thought they were just concerned with making the world work to suit their agenda.

[drop47]

To be honest i didn't know about the Mayan thing until i saw something on T.V. It may not be the actual end of the world but could be a rebirth and a new way of thinking and living. I mean we do not know why the Mayan civilization fell in the same way we know about the other great civilizations the world has known. The world can not carry on the way it is forever.

[MARTIN3030]

Can we get back on topic ?

[drop47]

Totally. So does anyone know of a campaign to try and stop this at the 11th hour

[worried33]

I was actually talking about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world/ shift in behaviour that some people are waiting for. As for Bilderberg not sure what you refer to,the group or is there a theory about that as well.

 

No I asked as you seem to be indicating I am a nutcase and this is as silly as the world is going to end in 2012.

 

So I asked you if you think the annual meetings of the worlds most powerful people that is never reported on by the press if you believe it happens or you think it to be a myth.

 

It is quite clear top end business's and wealthy people now get exclsuive access to governments, in america we had the meeting between the american government and heads of each bank taking place prior to allowing their bank to go bust, the fact we know one such meeting took place how do we know others did not? In the uk we have CEOs having hotlines to ministers and the PM selling exclusive meetings for 5k sums. Analysing the policies been put in place they all set to benefit the superuch and large companies, privatising the NHS, welfare privatisation, increasing supply of workers, mandatary labour to get benefits. As well as of course large sweeping tax cuts and removal of health and safety regulations and removal of unfair dismissal regulations, the list goes on. We even have the uk government employing a ex banker as heading welfare reform, and the americans did the same they employed the goldman sachs guy who incidently was the one deciding to hand out huge compensation to the banks that didnt go bust to cover their losses.

 

You may say VAT going up but conveniantly vat registered business's dont pay VAT.

 

The government now works for corporations and elections are a joke.

[worried33]

Can we get back on topic ?

 

sorry wont post off topic again.

[drop47]

I wasn't suggesting you were a nut case One on this forum is enough thank you were,i don't need the competition. Now how are we going to deal with this ?

[drop47]

I would pm you worried but the powers that be have removed that privilege. Not sure what i have done to offend.

[worried33]

no offense, is fine. We both off topic here anyway.