Team effort – Unlawful "Head H" bailiff fees for the attention of MoJ

[outlawla]

How much is the minimum amount the SFO entertains? I heard it's £one million. That would mean if they'd got about 30 local authority contracts the dodgy Head H fees would do it alone.

[outlawla]

Number of times a "Header H" fee was incurred in cases since 2009/10:

 

From small sample of councils we have (so far) 2,610 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 13 occasions.

 

 

Fylde Borough Council (Rossendales)

Figure submitted: 167 | Goods removed: 0

 

Ribble Valley Borough Council (Rossendales)

76 | 4

Blaby District Council (bailiff unsure?)

8 | 3

South Ribble Borough Council (Jacobs)

1,395| 0

Brighton & Hove City Council (In-house)

"BHCC

have never applied

for a Header H fee"

 

South Kesteven District Council (Jacobs/Rossendales/Bristow & Sutor)

756

(Jacobs 286) (Rossendales 381) (B&S 89) | (0) (0) (5)

Note: Jacobs since 2010-11, B&S since 2011-12

 

 

Lancaster City Council (Equita/Rossendales)

208

| 1

North East Lincolnshire Council (Rossendales)

Refuse to supply details on grounds of cost (£40k)

Edited April 5, 2013 by outlawla

[tomtubby]

Outlawla......good work. From my experience local authorities that have Bristow & Sutor or Ross & Roberts as their bailiff provider continue to charge a "Head H" fee.

[brassnecked]

Excellent work outlawla.

[outlawla]

They required persuading, but Lancaster City Council's results are in (updated in previous post) with a 208 score for 1 removal.

 

News from the Information Rights Tribunal gives a positive sign that North East Lincs refusal on costs grounds may have been unfounded. Perhaps a surprise decision at some point means they'll accompany the other results.

[ploddertom]

News from the Information Rights Tribunal gives a positive sign that North East Lincs refusal on costs grounds may have been unfounded. Perhaps a surprise decision at some point means they'll accompany the other results.

 

Of course wouldn't have a clue why this Council are being so stroppy over it - I mean it's not as if they don't know of you.

[brassnecked]

Of course wouldn't have a clue why this Council are being so stroppy over it - I mean it's not as if they don't know of you.

 

[outlawla]

I know where you're coming from, but wouldn't it have just been easier for everyone if before the council appointed its management crew, they bothered to look up the meaning of "honesty"?

Edited April 5, 2013 by outlawla

[ploddertom]

I know where you're coming from, but wouldn't it have just been easier for everyone if before the council appointed its management crew, they bothered to look up the meaning of "honesty"?

 

Only if they know the meaning of the word!

[Clunks]

Jacobs are extremely bad for Head H Fees!

[brassnecked]

Jacobs are extremely bad for Head H Fees!

 

I think they pre load them to every account, and they do a nice line in clamping, and removal of third party vehicles.

[outlawla]

Another result in (Hyndburn Borough Council) to add to the total number of times a "Header H" fee was incurred in cases since 2009/10:

 

Hyndburn Borough Council (Jacobs; Rossendales; Rundle & Co)

Figure submitted:

164

| Goods removed: 0

The figure now stands from sample (so far) 2,774 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 13 occasions.

Edited April 12, 2013 by outlawla

[ploddertom]

[/indent][/indent]The figure now stands from sample (so far) 2,774 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 13 occasions.

 

£67963 & counting

[brassnecked]

£67963 & counting

All money that should be returned just as police had to return unlawful roadworks camera fines, they got from dodgy gatsos

[outlawla]

All money that should be returned just as police had to return unlawful roadworks camera fines, they got from dodgy gatsos

 

This of course is only the redemption charge. There's more here, which should make the Head H, look like a drop in the ocean. Harrow allows a £235 fee for a single attendance – the subject of Newlyn behaving badly.

[outlawla]

Two more results to add to total:

 

Breckland District Council (Rossendales)

Figure submitted:

464

| Goods removed: 1

Colchester Borough Council (Jacobs/Rossendales)

2,001

(Jacobs 1,517) (Rossendales 484) | (0) (2)

 

 

The figure now stands from sample (so far) 5,239 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 16 occasions.

 

EDIT:

 

Lincoln City Council has an agreement with its bailiff contractor, Rossendales, not to apply the Head H fee joining Brighton & Hove to make up the two authorities discovered so far that do not contribute to the score.

Edited April 16, 2013 by outlawla

[brassnecked]

Two more results to add to total:

 

Breckland District Council (Rossendales)

Figure submitted:

464

| Goods removed: 1

Colchester Borough Council (Jacobs/Rossendales)

2,001

(Jacobs 1,517) (Rossendales 484) | (0) (2)

 

 

The figure now stands from sample (so far) 5,239 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 16 occasions.

 

Load of illegal moolah taken by bailiffs there, adding to the global heap

[outlawla]

Load of illegal moolah taken by bailiffs there, adding to the global heap

 

Another load of illegal moolah brassnecked; around £38.5k to add to the heap.

 

 

Mansfield District Council (Rossendales/Rundle & Co/Bristow & Sutor)

Figure submitted:

1,570

| Goods removed: 4

The figure now stands from sample (so far) 6,806 head H fees imposed in relation to cases where goods had been removed on 20 occasions.

[hallowitch]

outlawla have you done any welsh councils if not could you tell me how to do a freedom of information request for Wrexham council and what I write and ask for please

[outlawla]

outlawla have you done any welsh councils if not could you tell me how to do a freedom of information request for Wrexham council and what I write and ask for please

 

 

Not seen one for Wrexham.

 

There seems to be a couple of versions, but this one looks like it covers more info.

"

Relating to schedule 5 of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992, commencing 2009/10 to date and categorised by year please supply;

 

a) the bailiff firm contracted to [COUNCIL] for Council Tax enforcement.

 

b) the number of [COUNCIL] residents who have incurred the Header H fee, as a result of the council or its agents enforcing council tax debt?

 

c) the number of council tax cases [COUNCIL] referred to bailiff:

 

i – to levy distress?

 

ii – where goods were removed?

 

Edited April 18, 2013 by outlawla

[outlawla]

Preston City Council (Rossendales)

Figure submitted:

404

| Goods removed: 0

The figure now stands at 7,210 head H's imposed where goods had been removed on 20 occasions.

 

 

P.S. There's one in for Wrexham

[outlawla]

Breaking through the 10,000 barrier:

 

East Riding of Yorkshire Council (Jacobs/Newlyn/Rundle & Co)

Figure submitted:

2,092

| Goods removed: 1

 

 

Bassetlaw District Council (Jacobs/Rossendales/Bristow & Sutor)

1,875

(Jacobs 1,081) (Rossendales 172) (B&S 622) | (0) (1) (0)

Note: Jacobs and B&S contracted since 2011-12

 

 

Since 2009/10 the figure stands at 11,177 head H's imposed for goods removed on 21 occasions.

[brassnecked]

That's a whole lotta fraud, as Led Zeppelin might have sung

 

Way down inside, gonna get that head h

gettin every inch of head h

whoooah

 

What a whole lotta fraud

a whole lotta fraud..................

[outlawla]

Over a quarter of a £million isn't bad for the fraction of councils and short time period.

 

This all brings North East Lincs Council's honesty into question though.

 

A lie detector is needed.

 

(Electrodes attached)

 

Q. Will it or will it not cost in excess of £40k to supply these details?

[brassnecked]

Over a quarter of a £million isn't bad for the fraction of councils and short time period.

 

This all brings North East Lincs Council's honesty into question though.

 

A lie detector is needed.

 

(Electrodes attached)

 

Q. Will it or will it not cost in excess of £40k to supply these details?

 

Seat CEO of NELC, in chair strap him down, attach electrodes from field telephone, ask question CEO swears it is so would cost £40k to provide info, wind handle, ask again.