Parking fine issued 10mins after expiry of free ticket.

[skyelet]

PCN Issued by a local council observed 5 mins after the expiry of a 30mins free ticket issued 5mins after that, so 10mins after the expiry. Total cost if a ticket had been bought for these extra 10mins = 30pence

 

 

Any thoughts ? Do i need to pay this one? or should i wait for a NtO?

[green_and_mean]

Why would you want to wait for the NTO and lose your discount, you need to decide if you have grounds to appeal now rather than later.

[Al27]

Can we see the PCN?

 

30 pence ticket is irrelevant really I'm afraid.

[skyelet]

sure ill post the PCN on laters

[skyelet]

any other thoughts? time is ticking...

[Feebee_71]

It would help if you had posted the PCN so those site members with knowledge can look as it and tell you if it is legal.

 

Feebee_71

[TheBogsDollocks]

I'm not clear on exactly what kind of machine dispensed the free ticket but I'll assume it is a normal P&D machine, in which case you may have one argument that you can at least use as an appeal point.

I would ask for evidence that the parking meter clock was consulted prior to the issue of the PCN or that the CEO synchronised the hand held computer clock with the meter clock.

 

DfT guidance recommends that one of the above actions should be done.

 

The time on the ticket and whether it has expired can only be accurately assessed by the clock that issued the ticket. The CEO's watch or HH computer are unlikely to be to the exact timing of the meter clock and unless the meter clock was consulted (a note in the log book or a photo) then it is possible the CEO's clock was 10 minutes or more faster than the meter clock.

[dave]

Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

 

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours.

[skyelet]

okay thanks guys, im just gonna hold out on this one.

[skyelet]

NTO's and tickets

 

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8599/nto.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8900/nto2.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1373/tickets.jpg

 

 

help please anyone?

[Al27]

Looks ok, but we need the back of the PCN and the third page of the NTO.

[skyelet]

damn, only just checked on this, i got till the 18th to submit something to them, i will upload the 3rd page and back in a few mins

[skyelet]

here is page 3 and back of the PCN..... swift help would be mucho appreciated! i can send response recorded delivery

 

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9540/page3drb.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4790/backpcn.jpg

[snasher05]

Dave, you state "

Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

 

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours."

 

This could be relevant to my case (posted yesterday). Do I wait too, or is it worth one more "informal" challenge within the discount period - if so, do I get a letter ready to go off on Monday. In what ways are NTOs not correctly issued please?

[skyelet]

if anyone could point me in the direction of NtO's not being correctly issued guidelines, it would be greatly appreciated!

[skyelet]

anyone?

[lamma]

No, no one can. Have can you have a guide to 'incorrectness' which is by definition limitless ? Just use the regs that show what should be in an NTO and find the variances as may be.

[heliosfa]

a bump to get you some attention...

[skyelet]

thanks lamma... i think. ive looked at the regs and all seems to be in order

[snasher05]

Generally, the NtO won't be worth the paper it's written on - the vast majority of parking cases can be thrown out on the incorrect issuing of the NtO if they don't listen to reason or use common sense.

 

This does mean a gamble on your part - whilst I have not yet seen a correctly issued NtO, this doesn't mean that they don't exist, if you wait for your NtO then you lose the option of the discount, so the call is yours.

 

 

 

But if Dave is correct, then if we knew what to look for then something in the NTO would be incorrect. Have I read Dave wrong, or is he wrong then and the NTO issued is infact correct?

[skyelet]

i think i need daves help here....

[lamma]

thanks lamma... i think. ive looked at the regs and all seems to be in order

 

'seems' ? Is or is not there is no 'seems' (yoda voice).

[crem]

'seems' ? Is or is not there is no 'seems' (yoda voice).

 

lol that sentence reads so much better when you picture yoda saying it.

[skyelet]

okay just gonna pay it n make it go away.

[green_and_mean]

Why would you want to wait for the NTO and lose your discount, you need to decide if you have grounds to appeal now rather than later.