SMOKING- Got a warning, is it fair?

[rory32]

I think it will get better when the rules are more clear, the smoking ban has worked well in Scotland with few incidents.

We won't mention all the complaints from people who live close to pubs then.

[Monty2007]

Fair point Rory...... I was just trying to find the middle ground.

[rory32]

I actually agree with the point that people should not have breath second hand smoke at work (even though I smoke) and in my industry the smoking ban realistically came into effect about 15 years ago. All I was pointing out was that there are social consequences to the smoking ban which were never considered (even though they were pointed out beforehand).

[dolphin939]

They should still provide smokers with a room to smoke in, one for smokers and one for non smokers, it is our choice to smoke and we still have rights too, i dont agree with smoking in restaurants, pubs and clubs will need more policing as all the smokers are out on the streets.

[megan34]

I am also an ex-smoker , Ive smoked for 30 years and gave up in february. I feel sorry for the likes of pensioners who meet in working mens clubs for a drinkand a game of cards or dominoes - some of them its their only pleasure and yet they now cant smoke in clubs - there are many examples like that - yet in parliament they have allowed themselves a place to carry on smoking - how fair is that? in prisons they can still smoke - how fair is that? so murderers,rapists,paedophiles etc all have more rights than a model citizen - because he chooses to smoke? what about smokers human rights? - youre being told you cant smoke in your own home if you are expecting someone in authority calling , you cant smoke in a vehicle if it is used by other people or owned by a company - shortly we will see 'smoke police' - out in marked cars waiting to put the sirens on and chase cars where someone has dared to light up!. - where will it all end - soon we will see the adverts on the telly - "have you taken a lift from a smoker recently or in the past at any time? - well now you can claim compensation" - oh yes im just waiting to see that one appear on telly!! - the drink is next - theyre going to tell you how much you can drink in your own home - yes your OWN home ! - I saw something about that on telly the other week and of course how can we leave the fat people out? - yes soon we will see the FAT police - fining anyone who is overweight - its all gonna happen - watch this space........:-|

[Guest Gertie100]

At the end of the day anyone (person or company) can ban smoking on their own premises.

The government has seen fit to pass a law which states that smoking is banned in enclosed public places.

The issue here is whether or not there was a sign up to say that smoking is not allowed...if it is not obviously an enclosed space then a sign probably would have cleared things up...regardless of which "law" applies.

 

I almost got caught in a semi-enclosed part of my local shopping area (I won't say centre because you can be walking through the middle of it, and still get wet if its raining due to the fact there's great big bloody holes in the roof!) and didn't even think about it - in fact a woman from one of the shops came out and reminded me nicely!

 

However what does make me laugh is the new areas which a lot of pubs are opening up - one of them close to my works, has a specific area which is through a door, has a roof, walls and even some windows! You would definitely not get wet if it rained!

 

Just doesn't make sense.....

[Guest weegirl]

I didn't take your comments personally

 

Then why the personal attack!!!

 

I will point out again, the whole point of my initial post was a general comment about how authorities tend to abuse these laws, it was not aimed at your response but you're obviously too full of yourself to distinguish that, and thought that your original post was so important that I had to be responding to yours and only yours, not the rest of the posts that were on.

 

Get over yourself.

[Champnos]

Getting a bit "Heated" here. Anyway back to the point, and we all have views, i quit about 7 weeks ago, aroudn about a month before the ban, blimey it was hard! Took about 6 weeks before i lost the need for a ciggy, only used patches for 2 weeks.

 

I actually believe the new rule is good for all, going outside is not a problem, the problem is when people want it banned outside as well! Ive heard that a lot and got to laugh at that. I was at a bar a few days ago and on the forth floor, they had built a lovely balcony with roof for smokers, it was great! Although i was not smoking.

 

The minute people arent allowed to smoke in their own cars is the moment i believe the police will not be able to deal with, stupid idea that is seeing as its "Your Car" people in it "Know you smoke"

[Guest weegirl]

Precicely my point Champnos, as I originally asked, where will this end? As with all new laws of this nature they are abused and the boundries are pushed to the extreme by certain fractions.

 

Looks like drinking will be next. The Government are talking now about putting up the price of booze in pubs to cut down on binge drinking!! Not just an excuse to rip people off then.

[Champnos]

Heh, drinking will be next but again they wont try too hard

 

1.5 billion spent on NHS because of smoker (Oh no you think)

 

9.5 billion made in taxes from smokers (I think you will now get the point)

 

Alcohol is similar in which the government add many taxes on to our Alcohol, in fact when a shipment hits the shores it doesbles in costs because of the government

[Guest weegirl]

Yep, whilst our MP's have the privilege of the 19 bars in the House of Commons (funded by us) that charge 70's prices. Get angry!!

[Jase1982]

Why do some people seem to take another persons opinnion as a personal attack, rather than enter into an informed debate?

 

I think there's pros and cons for every situation, and the smoking ban is no exception. There is no right answer.

[Bookworm]

Then why the personal attack!!!

 

I will point out again, the whole point of my initial post was a general comment about how authorities tend to abuse these laws, it was not aimed at your response but you're obviously too full of yourself to distinguish that, and thought that your original post was so important that I had to be responding to yours and only yours, not the rest of the posts that were on.

 

Get over yourself.

 

What personal attack??? No, really, where?

Did I use words like "ridiculous and cantankerous", "'I've got the moral highground' attitude", "grasping to enforce your arguement", "awkard and picking a fight"? No, I believe that was you. And still, I ignored your inflammatory remarks.

 

Did I tell you to "get over yourself"? No, I believe that was still you. And still, I ignored your inflammatory remark.

 

You asked what the problem was. I gave you an answer. All you have done since is jump at my throat. If you didn't want an answer, why were you asking?

 

You may have a difference of opinion, but I would appreciate it if you could keep your responses courteous. If you have an argument that supports smoking, apart from "it is our right", then by all means post it.

I will however ask you to do so in terms which are polite and non aggressive to other users, and in turn, will ensure that the same courtesy is extended to you.

 

Thank you.

[Janet-M]

I am a heavy smoker and actually fully agree with this law .

 

Why should people who don't smoke have to sit in rooms full of smoke .damaging their health .It is my right to smoke if I want to but not at the cost of other peoples health .Actually I think smoking should be banned full stop then people will have no choice but to stop what is nothing more then a disgusting bad habit that they probably started when they knew no better.

[Champnos]

Hmm you have kind of contradicted yourself about ten times. You smoke heavily yet say it should be banned, its unfair on others yet i guess you must smoke near people. Why not quit if its such a disgusting habit?

 

The long term effects of smoking may be bad but lets be honest in the short term not very bad at all. Yes ban it from places where people dont have a choice, like bars and clubs. But a countrywide ban would send this country down the pan

[Janet-M]

Hmm you have kind of contradicted yourself about ten times. You smoke heavily yet say it should be banned, its unfair on others yet i guess you must smoke near people. Why not quit if its such a disgusting habit?

 

The long term effects of smoking may be bad but lets be honest in the short term not very bad at all. Yes ban it from places where people dont have a choice, like bars and clubs. But a countrywide ban would send this country down the pan

 

No I haven't contradicted myself

 

I smoke near other smokers yes

yes it should be banned completly , but they will never do it as they get to much tax from the smokers and then have the cheek to refuse them some hospital procedures

I wish I could quit , personal reasons why this is not possible

Short term is bad too . ask anyone who doesn't smoke , esp ex smokers , just how bad a smoker smells .. even after a bath

 

A countrywide ban is the most sensible thing we could do for future generations but that will never happen.

[patdavies]

 

A countrywide ban is the most sensible thing we could do for future generations but that will never happen.

 

What a frighteningly authoritarian regime that would be.

 

Should we ban anything else that might be harmful to our health.

 

It wouldn't work anyway. Did Prohibition actually stamp out alcohol consumption in the US when it was tried? No. it made the health effects worse as more uncontrolled, bootleg booze was drunk.

[megan34]

I dont think people have yet quite grasped the laws on using their mobiles whilst driving - and the police cant get that under control - so how they gonna manage stopping people smoking? - They need to get a grip of the 'mobile' situation first - which also is supposed to be against the law - but some people think it just applies to others and not them - you give them a disapproving look and youusually get the one finger sign - imagine giving a disapproving look at a group of drunks smoking where they shouldnt be - it wouldnt just be a one finger sign you got I bet.... I dont think the policing of this law has been thought through properly at all, same as the mobiles law. I hear now that the schools are thinking of writing to parents telling them their children are fat aswell - what next?

[patdavies]

I dont think people have yet quite grasped the laws on using their mobiles whilst driving - and the police cant get that under control - so how they gonna manage stopping people smoking?

 

The policing of this draconian piece of legislation isn't to be entrusted to the Police. It is to be enforced by the zealots of the local authority - who will see it purely as an income stream.

[Guest weegirl]

What personal attack??? No, really, where?

 

I refer you to your response to my original posting.

 

I really cannot believe that you are a moderator. Very unprofessional.

[Jase1982]

But a countrywide ban would send this country down the pan

 

haha, I'd love to hear your response to an announcement that Russia have launched missiles aimed at the West???

[Janet-M]

 

I really cannot believe that you are a moderator. Very unprofessional.

A moderator is also a user and has the right to join in any discussion and air their personal views .We are not paid or professionals but volunteers and put in unbelievable hours to help keep this site running for all users to continue recieving free advice .

 

Common curtesy should be used in all posts towards other users .

 

When talking in text sometimes things can be misread ( thats a general observation not about any particular post in this thread)

Can this thread now keep on topic .. any personal attacks against any user will be removed as per forum rules

[sanand]

Hi all,

Unfortunately im a smoker, I smoke 30 a day and dont smoke in my house or car, I fully understand smoking being banned in public places, nothing worse than someone elses smoke in your face, especially when eating and there is no getting away from the fact that it does stink and is a filthy habit but I cannot understand the problem with smoking outside. Just my opinion!

[bazak1]

hi,

take a look at Nosmokinglaw.co.uk - Smoking Ban & Law Resource Centre for No Smoking Legislation & Signs

this gives you 99% of all the info you need.

yes, it is a bad habit, and yes it was right to stop it near food etc, but we are ALL entitled to our opinions and civil rights. and before anyone asks no i dont smoke, i stopped approx 16 years ago, but my missus does, and so do some of her family, so i get to see this law from both sides.

[megan34]

Hi all,

Unfortunately im a smoker, I smoke 30 a day and dont smoke in my house or car, I fully understand smoking being banned in public places, nothing worse than someone elses smoke in your face, especially when eating and there is no getting away from the fact that it does stink and is a filthy habit but I cannot understand the problem with smoking outside. Just my opinion!

 

 

If you dont smoke in your house or car - where do you smoke 30 a day? :o

The smoke police will be notified ......................